Second-hand 'Ware, Alternative interperatation |
Second-hand 'Ware, Alternative interperatation |
Oct 7 2012, 01:33 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
To all you GMs out there:
Would you consider it reasonable for a player to have second hand ware and say that it's not actually second hand, merely last-generation tech? mechanically the same, just a different flavor. |
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Oct 7 2012, 01:33 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
It's a fluff change, so yes.
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Oct 7 2012, 04:56 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
Yes. I would also let people use the second-hand 'ware rules to simulate "bargain"-brand 'ware, or 'ware less-than-optimally installed by a back-alley surgeon.
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Oct 8 2012, 08:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: 6-August 06 Member No.: 9,032 |
Except for used Alpha...
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Oct 8 2012, 11:17 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
Except for used Alpha... I would say that yes, it works as a "lesser brand". I would apply a concealability bonus of +1 when worn under clothing as the ware is slimmer and less bulky but they are less concerned with the wiring causing it to cost more cash and give no bonus or drawback to Essence. Also, the availability of second hand alpha is 1 point less than the better brands. |
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Oct 8 2012, 03:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: 6-August 06 Member No.: 9,032 |
The point is that used alphaware is strictly better than standard. Same cost, 0.96 times the essence.
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Oct 8 2012, 03:45 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
The point is that used alphaware is strictly better than standard. Same cost, 0.96 times the essence. Only if you use crazy math. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 100% +20% and -20% still equals 100%. Additives are the way to calculate it. Only if you multiply do you get the .96 Essence Cost oddity. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Besides, even if you do calculate it to the .96 essence. Alpha Ware IS better than Standard, even used. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Oct 8 2012, 04:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: 6-August 06 Member No.: 9,032 |
Even if you calculate it like that (which i of course like better (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ), used Alpha is still better than standard even when Nuyen and essence are the same. The reason is because alphaware is harder to detect than standard.
I think the most sane way would be ruling that used alpha just does not exist. I dont think the game would be missing a whole lot with that rule - plus the rule as is is not very well thought through obviously. |
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Oct 8 2012, 04:34 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Even if you calculate it like that (which i of course like better (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ), used Alpha is still better than standard even when Nuyen and essence are the same. The reason is because alphaware is harder to detect than standard. I think the most sane way would be ruling that used alpha just does not exist. I dont think the game would be missing a whole lot with that rule - plus the rule as is is not very well thought through obviously. Well, yes, Alphaware IS DEFINITIVELY better than Standard Ware, no question, even if it is second hand. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Oct 8 2012, 05:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,018 Joined: 3-July 10 Member No.: 18,786 |
Only if you use crazy math. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Also known as actual real mathematics. |
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Oct 8 2012, 05:30 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Also known as actual real mathematics. But not in the books. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This has been discussed so many times that I do not want to re-address it. If you like, you can look up the threads. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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