Convert SR chargen BP to Pathfinder and D20 systems Options

[Raiden]

So, I have played alot of pathfinder, (limited DnD 3.5)and I am going to convert the char build system with BP/karma over to the pathfinder game. IE, skills=knowledge skills, do away with levels, races would cost certain amounts, and your first class is free, you would then purchase the class abilities of you choosing, abilities with ranks would have to be taken multiple times. stats would stay the same with the modifiers = basically the equivalent of SR ATT. you would be allowed to purchase money. I have had a small discussion in s separate thread about having free class powers based on primary stat mod. akin to PP. this will be a long time in coming as I am busy with college atm. but please post thoughts, Ideas, and anything of the like here. hopefully, I will have a rough outline of how it works early December. and a almost definite version for you all on Christmas day!

[Tanegar]

You want to convert a classless system into a class-based system? Lolwut.

[Raiden]

You want to convert a classless system into a class-based system? Lolwut.

just the lvl system, everything else would, ideally stay the same. but you just take out the levels. add BP and karma.

[nezumi]

Wrong holiday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It's not April yet.

[Lionhearted]

I think you oldies might have devoloped an acute allergy to anything d20 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

On a more constructive note it would essentially open up alot of creative freedom within bounds of familiar restrictions. It always bothered me how most D20 systems punish you for branching out into other areas.
Who says a wizard can't be a decent swordsman?
Who says that the warrior can't be an able diplomat?

Converting to a skill based system would erode alot of these barriers while still keeping the distinct fantasy archetypes intact.

However class would still need to apply in some sense to prevent cherry picking or making unique abilities bland to compensate.

So try and entertain the thought, if anything to sneakily convert some d20 fanatics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[thorya]

Point based class systems have been done a number of times, but it's not a bad idea. I think you would have better luck playing a fantasy game with SR rules (I've got some if you're interested).

Here are some references from other people:

http://samhaine.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/point-buy.pdf
http://rumkin.com/reference/dnd/media/classconstruction.pdf
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Ce...5TqzCTM-luLvaMg

You can also get the published book "Buy the Numbers" by Cooley Publishing. I haven't used it, but it's a guide for using experience points in a D&D system to purchase abilities rather than leveling.

[binarywraith]

just the lvl system, everything else would, ideally stay the same. but you just take out the levels. add BP and karma.

Seriously, do you -play- Pathfinder? The levels are the entire method that classes are designed and balanced by. Taking them out means you would have to essentially assign every class feature a point value, at which point you might as well have just played GURPS in the first place.

[Raiden]

thanks for the info, and I may do both thorya. but SR rules are fairly slow in combat situations with all the roles lol.

binary, yes, I had INTENDED to apply a separate cost to the class ABILITIES based on what level you would obtain them. its intended to give a different feel for the characters, you get to make him and enjoy him. your not waiting to "level" up so you can finally enjoy the things that you want. some would argue that progression is why its fun, and sometimes It can be. others. meh. all opinions are welcome but I would prefer at the very least. constructive criticism and not pure hate for my idea. if you do not like my Idea, then do not read the thread. this was intended as a little something fun which people could put ideas in, and eventually POSSIBLY play with.

also pathfinder was the first tabletop I had the enjoyment of playing and have played it quite a bit. which is why I feel I may be able to convert it.

[KCKitsune]

Just use Anime d20. Just make sure you get rid of some of the more "flashy" elements, get rid of Combat skills if you want to use the D&D monster manuals*, and make it so everyone uses the Adventurer character class.



* == the reason to get rid of the combat skills is because with then in, then your characters will almost never miss the enemy, and hitting them will be a stone bitch.

[Larsine]

Don't you know that D20 causes cancer?

[Raiden]

lol D20 players say the same thing about every other system XD. but I am attempting to make it so it causes no cancer for anyone lol. (and still roll a d20)

[All4BigGuns]

I think you oldies might have devoloped an acute allergy to anything d20 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

On a more constructive note it would essentially open up alot of creative freedom within bounds of familiar restrictions. It always bothered me how most D20 systems punish you for branching out into other areas.
Who says a wizard can't be a decent swordsman?
Who says that the warrior can't be an able diplomat?

Converting to a skill based system would erode alot of these barriers while still keeping the distinct fantasy archetypes intact.

However class would still need to apply in some sense to prevent cherry picking or making unique abilities bland to compensate.

So try and entertain the thought, if anything to sneakily convert some d20 fanatics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

The d20 system isn't bad, no, but it's good for the primary games it's used for (Pathfinder, D&D 3.5, Spycraft, etc). There is good reason that most games have eschewed a class and level based system in favor of a far more open-to-customization one.

[Lionhearted]

Haha I love how I'm not the only one pretending that D&D 4ed never happened

[KCKitsune]

The d20 system isn't bad, no, but it's good for the primary games it's used for (Pathfinder, D&D 3.5, Spycraft, etc). There is good reason that most games have eschewed a class and level based system in favor of a far more open-to-customization one.

That's the reason I put up the Anime d20 system. It allows you to customize your character the way that Shadowrun allows you to, but also allows you to use all the D&D 3.X books.

Haha I love how I'm not the only one pretending that D&D 4ed never happened

4th edition D&D is not a RPG... it's a board game with the name Dungeons & Dragons slapped on it... kinda like that FPS that is must-not-be-named in this forum.

[Raiden]

Haha I love how I'm not the only one pretending that D&D 4ed never happened

whats this 4E DnD which you speak of?

[Medicineman]

Shadowrun has already been converted to D20
I read about it in the German Forum Tanelorn and it was made by the user Blut & Glas (IIRC)

So If You're serious about converting SR You should try to contact Blut & Glas

He who dances in many Forums
Medicineman

[Lionhearted]

Shadowrun has already been converted to D20
I read about it in the German Forum Tanelorn and it was made by the user Blut & Glas (IIRC)

So If You're serious about converting SR You should try to contact Blut & Glas

He who dances in many Forums
Medicineman

Put down the peace pipe, other way around, introducing SR rulesets to a d20 system
^^


Meh, why can't a 3ds have a proper text interface

@Kitsune
Funny you mention THAT game, I got featured in PC gamer bitching about the fact that it had absolutely nothing to do with SR and spat in the face of it's namesake.
Ah the times when printed gaming media had any news value

[Medicineman]

Im not on a Warpath (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Raiden wants tor convert the SR4A Rules to a D20/Pathfinder system.
This has already been done in Germany so I thought I tell You this so You can use this Conversion

with a Peaceful Dance
Medicineman

[Lionhearted]

White man can't read assumes Medicine man dancing with spirits, clearly it's my dance that's drug induced

[Raiden]

away from PC,

@medicineman
is it a complete overhaul of system? or just the chargen and leveling based aspects?

[Lionhearted]

Edited last post realising I got it all backwards, clearly I need sleep

[Medicineman]

away from PC,

@medicineman
is it a complete overhaul of system? or just the chargen and leveling based aspects?

I'm not quite sure, but I think its a complete conversion.
You should ask Blut & Glas Yourself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

HeyaHeyaHeyaJa
Medicineman

[Sid Nitzerglobin]

Maybe check out GURPS Cyberpunk as a jumping off point as well (assuming it's still around)? Not d20, but a bit more streamlined in combat from a number of rolls perspective from what I recall (in 1e anyways) and totally modular.

[All4BigGuns]

That's the reason I put up the Anime d20 system. It allows you to customize your character the way that Shadowrun allows you to, but also allows you to use all the D&D 3.X books.

Do you mean BESM d20? If so, there are some serious issues there. Then again the problems I saw came when I saw someone hand out full points and then have their players still roll their stats.

[ravensmuse]

The Short Answer is just to go with d20 Modern, attach extra books as needed. That way you're working with classes built around the six attributes, so it's less weird to say "I'm a Sixth Level Face!".

The Long Answer asks you the question, "why?". What's the purpose of what you're trying to do?

If it's rules complexity, making it d20 ain't going to make it any easier - actually, you're looking at more work. It takes a good while to stat stuff up in 3.5; you have to take into account the multitude of little feats that add into Big Things, you have to take into account special abilities, special attributes, resistances, all sorts of messy things. If you're the kind of person that likes digging into the guts of things and writing every little thing, d20 is probably your game.

If you're looking for something that's a little easier to run? Shadowrun essentially runs off of the oWoD system, with a small tweak here and there. The mechanics chapter is a bit of a mess, but if you pay attention, there's a strong core, with some oddities that are easy enough to tweak. As to your "combat takes too long"; the only real problem that I've had with Shadowrun is that if you're the one dude that doesn't have extra IPs, you'll be sitting around for awhile. But combat is all of two rolls - less if you're willing to use some of the rules tweaks they mention in said mechanical chapter.

There's also Savage Worlds conversions out there - which, I'm told, keep the "crunchiness" of d20 with the Shadowrun feel.

Elsewise, there's Dungeon World conversions, Old School Hack conversions, a great Mouse Guard conversion I saw a while back - don't feel limited to just d20 man! There's more out there.

And I'm sorry, 4e D&D did happen, and it was a good thing for the roleplaying hobby. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)