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 Apr 20 2004, 07:55 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158  |
Just because he carries an interesting weapon, that doesn't mean he has to be particularly good at using it. Especially if he's using it as a family heirloom that's functioning as a focus for his magic. That's just a decent characteristic to play off of.
In any case, I came up with a little house rule for handing weapons like this. Basically, I just use the Customization rules for "Secondary Weapon" in the Firearm Creation Rules of Cannon Companion. Basically, 2,250 nuyen plus the cost of the base weapons gets you the customization work you need to have a melee weapon converted to a Stun Baton-style one that does 6M Stun. If you want some other effect, you pay the 2,250 nuyen twice plus the base cost of both weapons and combine their effects, as long as the combination makes sense. You then use the core Concealability for the main weapon and add +4 to the Concealability of the secondary weapon. So for a staff-sword, you just need to pick the two base weapons. In this case, a standard Bo Staff (50 nuyen) plus a now-retractable spear tip (200 nuyen). The cost is 4,750 nuyen and it does (STR+3)M Stun damage as a staff. When the "sword"-tip is projected, it does (STR+4) Physical. Concealability is 2 for the weapon itself and 6 to detect the sword-tip. That's how I typically handle it at least. |
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Apr 20 2004, 08:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I misunderstood at first, I thought he was talking about a staff that would break apart into a sword and a staff. The stats A Clockwork Lime gave look good. (I wonder why a Bo Staff does more damage than a Staff, with all other stats equal except a Bo Staff is slightly more difficult to get. Maybe they can bash through fire hydrants and are made of wood that has been folded a hundred billion times.) |
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Apr 20 2004, 08:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
They could just be making the assumption that a staff is just a long club, while a bo staff is a wooden staff that's been hardened through flame or bracing or some such.
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Apr 20 2004, 08:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
The Bo-Staff is asian and therefore magical. |
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Apr 20 2004, 08:13 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
That'd be a great explanation if a Staff wasn't harder and slower to get than a Club and 5 times as expensive, and a Bo Staff was more expensive than a regular Staff. That's not the case, however. |
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Apr 20 2004, 08:14 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
Just switch the Damage Codes around then and write it off as errata. :)
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Apr 20 2004, 08:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: 26-March 04 From: Houston Member No.: 6,197 |
I fully and completely accept this explaination as cannonical and true. |
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Apr 20 2004, 08:51 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
I like the "folded a million times" thing. Aren't all Asian weapons made that way? :D
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Apr 20 2004, 08:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: 26-March 04 From: Houston Member No.: 6,197 |
Totally. Especially the bo-staves and most other weapons made out of wood.
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Apr 20 2004, 09:00 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Sorry for the delayed post, but i was temporarily indesposed. ANYhoo... Backgammon said:
Being opposed to war or violence doesn't mean you can never, ever use it. It's just not your first option. As a means of self defense, have at it, i say. Total pacifism is pretty cut and dried, from a canon standpoint. But regular pacifism is open to interpretation. |
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Apr 20 2004, 09:03 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
Wait a minute, you guys are off.
Staff: 50 nuyen, 3/24 hours, SI 1. Bo Staff: 50 nuyen, 4/48 hours, SI 1. The only difference is the Bo Staff has +1 Power and is harder to get. That fits in well with the hardening theory. Especially since a staff is described as a "big stick" while a bo staff is described as a "hard, straight piece of wood." Regarding Pacifism vs. Total Pacificism, Pacifism is just the dude who says "hey man, I think we can figure out a way to get in there without killing the guard." The Total Pacifist is Ghandi or the Dalia Lama. |
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Apr 20 2004, 09:04 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Ah, the paranoid pacifist with a grenade launcher...
"It's for self-defense, they're all after me." |
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Apr 20 2004, 09:06 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
"I don't want to hurt you, but i will."
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Apr 20 2004, 09:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 30-May 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 4,652 |
I think you could consider the 'Staff' to be any walking stick/staff kind of thing, only marginally intended to be used as a weapon. The 'Bo Staff' could be any staff designed for combat, a Quarter Staff, a Bo Staff, or some sort of non-wood synthetic material quater staff thing like you can find these days. That makes at least some sense...right? |
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Apr 20 2004, 09:28 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
That's what I was basically stating. A staff is just a glorified club, while a bo staff is a true weapon.
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Apr 20 2004, 09:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
I vote for treating the sword as a Sword ((Str+2)M Physical, Reach 1) and the assembled staff as a Staff ((Str+2)M Stun, Reach 2). If the hilt is long enough, you could wield the sword two-handed and do (Str+3)M, like a bastard sword (of Japanese make or no). Or you could use the scabbard portion alone as a Club ((Str+1)M Stun, Reach 1).
I also vote for repeated stabbings of whoever assigned the Bo Staff's damage code. |
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Apr 20 2004, 09:41 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Nah, you should be in favor of repeated beatings with the Bo Staff and other blunt melee weapons. Teach them the differences and similarities. |
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Apr 20 2004, 09:44 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
I don't quite understand the angst over the damage code. It's the same difference between a blase' Sword and a technologically enhanced Ares Monosword... a whole +1 Power in exchange for a weapon that's been enhanced to be a better weapon.
The only thing wrong with the stats is that the Bo Staff doesn't have a mild price hike over the Staff. Making it simply 100 nuyen instead of 50 would be completely appropriate. |
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Apr 20 2004, 10:27 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Actually, something like 50 as opposed to a normal staff being 25 would make more sense. In any case, I have to agree. You'll be hard pressed to find a more willing person to rip out canon's still beating, blackened heart and rewrite it, but I don't see an issue with the +1 power. It's not a big deal as it is.
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Apr 20 2004, 11:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 30-March 04 Member No.: 6,206 |
Er, yeah, I was asking for a staff-sword where the sword can break away from the staff portion. I think someone already mentioned the japanese walking stick swords that were made for concealability, it's something like that, only with a shorter staff and sword blade.
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Apr 20 2004, 11:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 3-February 04 Member No.: 6,054 |
You can teach with stabbity. I am reminded of a famous scene in "A Clockwork Orange" where the hero pulls his hidden cane sword (hmm... odd how many parallels there are) and cut the guys hand. It was funny and educational. |
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Apr 20 2004, 11:47 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Stabbings can be educational, but stabbing won't educate a person about the proper damage codes of blunt weapons.
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Apr 20 2004, 11:51 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
That still doesn't explain to me why this +1 power is such a massive fucking big deal. I mean, that is the only difference, right?
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Apr 20 2004, 11:57 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
Groovy. See my post earlier, but replace the Spear portion with Cougar Long Fineblade. It's stats are pretty decent for a light sword. |
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Apr 21 2004, 12:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 5-March 03 From: Wouldn't you like to know? Member No.: 4,203 |
Take a look at the movie Blind Fury Rutger Hauer uses a walking stick that hides a katana type sword. Not hte best movie but he still kicks ass....and he's blind.
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