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post Apr 23 2004, 03:15 AM
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Didn't Earthdawn run on the Shadowrun style system?
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post Apr 23 2004, 03:17 AM
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QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Apr 22 2004, 07:36 PM)
Actually, if you have problems with the Forgotten Realms setting that cannot be solved with a simple addition of Common Sense, I would like to hear them. Like I said, I'm porting FR to SR, and now that the big stuff is done with it's mainly troubleshooting. The first thing I shot was Elminster. Repeatedly, in the head.

There is a built-in power level difference in SR and d20, though. A 20th level guy can slay hundreds of thousands of 1st level guys in straight combat, a single high-level adventurer can destroy massive armies without breaking a sweat. In SR, attacking an army straight on will get you killed, even if you're Harlequin. For everything you've ever wanted to know about d20 vs SR, read this thread.

Yes. The first thing you gotta do is frag Elminster. I always did perfer Mordinkanien and his Circle of Eight over Elminster and the Symbol any day of the week.

One thing that always did strike me about the Realms is that I really have to wonder how evil gets anything DONE. Except the Drow and a few other minor exceptions, good seems to have almost total control of the planet. Compared the Greyhawk where the majority of the countries are neutral, with a major evil empire threatening the few good countries that are still around. The Realms also seems to have an over abundance of "freak characters" the half-drow/drider/dryad/deep dragon-fuck you up character with an ECL of 27 or what have you. Seems like everytime someone tells me about a character of theirs that is like that, its based in the Realms.

Not to mention, Greyhawk is what D&D was intended to be. Most of the classic adventures were written for that setting, and Gygax could have probably kept writing material for the thing to keep us going up until 2011.

And also keep in mind that when I talk D&D, I'm not really talking about D20. I never was a huge fan of the system and I perfered the game back when it was still 2nd Edition. I think the game just worked better back then. D20 is....well....ok...but I hadly consider if the "do all end all" rule set that everyone seems to think it is these days. Kage hit it squarely on the nose I belive.

Though what exactly do you mean by porting FR to SR? I did a cross over adventure once where the Insect Spritis found Greyhawk and tried to pull a Universal Brotherhood before the PC's smashed em. You mean something like that?

World of Greyhawk is a really really good setting though.
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post Apr 23 2004, 03:17 AM
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Similar to Shadowrun, but not enough for me. Also, I really don't like the setting of Earthdawn. Not one bit.
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post Apr 23 2004, 03:40 AM
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Similar to Shadowrun, but not enough for me. Also, I really don't like the setting of Earthdawn. Not one bit.

Really? Well, I suppose I can't really comment on that since I never read that much of it.

Ancient History got anything to say about it?
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post Apr 23 2004, 03:48 AM
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There really isn't anything anyone can say about the Earthdawn system/setting that would make me like it any better. Plus I'm starting to get rather proud of my Forgotten Realms v1.1, Logic Inside. It's amazing how much better the setting immediately gets when you consider the FR books to be published by people sympathetic to the Lord's Alliance. Then you get to the really good stuff, like how there isn't decent arable land in the Moonsea area, etc.
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post Apr 23 2004, 05:21 AM
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It's amazing how much better the setting immediately gets when you consider the FR books to be published by people sympathetic to the Lord's Alliance. Then you get to the really good stuff, like how there isn't decent arable land in the Moonsea area, etc.

Wow. Just... wow.
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post Apr 23 2004, 05:33 AM
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Wow as in Damn you're pathetic or wow as in You might be on to something?
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post Apr 23 2004, 06:03 AM
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Wow as in Damn you're pathetic or wow as in You might be on to something?

Can't it be both?
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post Apr 23 2004, 07:29 AM
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Possibly. But I can't see how you could deduce them both from that message.
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post Apr 23 2004, 08:20 AM
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I believe Krynn/Dragonlance is usually agreed to be the worse campaign setting between people who're familiar with both.

Hey, I like Krynn! A bit lower-level than the Forgotten Realms stuff. Although I haven't done a great deal of gaming in either, I'd much prefer the Dragonlance setting for plot and story. Forgotten Realms has a munchkiny feal to it if you ask me. Too many things with way too much power going around.

And anytime I reference Dragonlance, I am not talking about anything dealing with 5th age or the Saga rules system. Those are indeed crap.

I've actually been very active in the online dragonlance world for many years. They've got a few roleplay forums out there, the one I've been using is:

the RPG consortium

If you search enough, you'll find the scientist and other NPC that Rokangus and I talked about on some other threads here.


My favorate setting would be Pern, actually, but that doesn't lend itself to gaming as much. Have made a rigger who's family for 3 generations was so obsesed with it that they made a flying mechanical riding dragon though.
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post Apr 23 2004, 12:25 PM
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Wow as in Damn you're pathetic or wow as in You might be on to something?

Neither actually... I was impressed by your nerdosity, thats all. Note that I laughed for a good while after I read your example of a Shadowrun dungeon crawl.
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post Apr 23 2004, 01:08 PM
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I don't get why adding reasonable politics to FR is nerdy. I'm not the least bit insulted by being called a nerd, I know I'm a nerd. Or something.

And now back to your regular programming.
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post Apr 23 2004, 09:22 PM
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"i'll ignore that cuase you obviosly dont know what yoru talking about."

I'll ignore that 'cause you obviously...et cetera. Well, I've seen people with English skills worse than that...on the WotC board.

"Which makes it near-impossible to shut the network down."

Which is a good thing, IMO, at least as far as the music industry goes...not for gaming, though, unless it's WotC...they really don't need any more profits :).

"Actually, if you have problems with the Forgotten Realms setting that cannot be solved with a simple addition of Common Sense,"

No problems with the setting...just throw the /rules/ out the window :).

Oh, and SR dungeon crawls...bugs. Hives are yummy :).
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