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edit - jeezus, I don't know what happened to the quote tags, but something's gotten REALLY WEIRD in this post. Sorry.


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A Totem wouldn't need to get over, it only needs to call a shaman to its path. In The Secret's of Power trilogy, Verner accidently frees some spirits that were physically restrained (before we had the rules changed to allow for traveling through the earth), one of which was a spider shaped being. It was hinted that the cave contained several imprisoned spirits, any of which could have been an insect or horror.
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Righty-o. But the beings that insect shamans follow may not be totems, in the typical sense - they do enough things differently from regular totems that I can't be sure. First and foremost, they get summoned to the material plane; I don't know of any other totems that do. Spider, in Secrets of Power, was presented as basically Just Another Totem, though - but doesn't Spider follow different rules than the real bugspirits? I mean, no investing into hosts, etc etc etc? I thought her shamans were normal shamans. Maybe the author was taking some liberties in the interest of a good story?

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't remember where I read this. I've always believed that, while both Totems and Insect Spirits have followers called shamans, the similarity ends there, and that the Invae are actually from a very different place than all the rest of 'em. The fact that Spider in Secrets of Power creates fleshform followers seems to dispute this, though...

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A serious question - which other Horrors were around at this point? Other than Ysrthgrthe, and the wraiths? I'm not enough of an expert to know.)
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So all the other scribbles were just heckling? ;)
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Just about everything I write is just heckling. :)

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There was the horror offspring of Ysrthgrthe and Aina who may have taught the native americans the ghost dance during the 5th world. There was apparently enough magic to let bound free spirits survive the 5th world, see Ehran's air elemental in Harlequin. If these were here, I'd bet others could have been, too.
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Right, Thais. Forgot about him. I wish someone had explained how Ysrth managed to hang around during the downcycle; someone said it was because he'd become too human, but that don't make any sense. The Wraiths, though, are real Horrors, if Harly was telling the truth in Paranormal Animals...

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Hmm, I don't remember that part. When did it happen?

The more I think back to it, I'm not sure that Spider in that novel is Spider, the Totem.

I mean it did want to use nukes some how, didn't it? That's not a very Totemish thing to do. Maybe that was Spider's evil twin.

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In the bomb-storage place in Africa, I believe Urdli and Estios face a shaman. Near the end, Sato is turned into what sounds like a flesh-form spirit. Neko faces a number of flesh-forms. All of them are supposed to serve Spider. And the sub that Janice and Ghost and Kham and company break into is filled with flesh-forms, at least one of which was magically active.

I assume Spider was a totem because of the above, and also because during the mini-Ghost Dance in Find Your Own Truth, Twist travels to the "totem realm", meets Dog, and fights Spider. Spider says something about "here in my realm I am strongest" or whatever.

I think that was the novelist's version of an Insect Totem, which happened to be called Spider despite the whole arachnid thang.

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