True Dragon PC, Character help! Options

[Lionhearted]

Well, that still makes it a giant lizard

Dragons are not lizards!
If I hadn't reread the dragon chapter in running wild I would have seriously made a big ol' rant a about how, they first establish dinosaurs as their closest relative and then compare them to komodos (a lizard) Which they don't btw, I read it wrong the first time around.
Point is that if dragons are related to dinosaurs, while they would be reptiles they most certainly wouldn't be lizards.
Which tbh their physiology supports, they don't have the characteristics of lizards, but definitely of dinosaurs... and as their closest living relatives are birds, not lizards... Feathered serpents suddenly make sense.

Draco... First of all. It's magic! second of all, size is not a factor in ability to metamorphosis, that the species that are capable of it are rather small has to do with other traits, like ineffecient methods of processing oxygen...
and you must have been asleep since the fourth age if you think radiation can do that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[bannockburn]

I was being colloquial (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Wizworm, if you like it better (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Lionhearted]

I know, I just had a pent up rant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Dolanar]

As far as why the Dragon would be at the Lord's home:

The Lord happened upon the dragon very shortly after its resurfacing, & after the Dragon had a few unpleasant run ins. The Lord suddenly had the wonderful idea to try to get the dragon on his side & offered the Dragon a safe place to hide & learn about the world, This is where the runner's come in.

The runner's uncover a plot by the lord to cross the dragon & show their proof to the dragon. This is where the dragon can suggest he has a lot to learn about this new world & suggest that the best place to learn it is in the lowest place possible, running the shadows.

[Darksong]

Point is that if dragons are related to dinosaurs, while they would be reptiles they most certainly wouldn't be lizards.

not necessarily, dinosaurs aren't reptiles

[Draco18s]

Besides, dragons classify as reptiles with bird-like characteristics, somwhat like, but not exactly like, dinosaurs, so they're not easily compared with any recent animals.

Depends on the dragon. I've seen some mammalian ones (fur, milk, live birth, the whole nine yards*).

*Interesting phrase that one, by the way. Anyone care to take a stab at where it originated?

[Lionhearted]

not necessarily, dinosaurs aren't reptiles

They are, reptiles with weird hip bones in fact

[hermit]

not necessarily, dinosaurs aren't reptiles

Let's just say this is up for debate and truer for some dinosaurs and less true for others. "Dinosaurs" basically sums up all megafauna of 160 mil years. They're probably three or four Classes, and it'd probably be a lot easier to decide if we'd know more than very incomplete skeletons.

[Darksong]

well, paraphyetically they are, but that's not always how people use or understand the term "reptile"

[Lionhearted]

People don't normally use animal to refer to humans, doesn't make it less so.

[Darksong]

that's a different taxonomic issue

there's a distinction between the class reptilia and the paraphyletic group of "reptiles", but that's neither here nor there

the important point is that you were correct in stating that dinosaurs are "related" to reptiles in as much as paraphyly denotes relation

[Lionhearted]

English fondness of latin curriculum throws me off sometimes, I get you now.

[O'Ryan]

Thanks for all the help, everyone! ...even the discussion of lizard versus dinosaur, even though we all know it's the very scientific "wizworm draconis" species. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'll be playing him this Saturday, and will let everyone know how he works out!

[Starmage21]

The best thing your massive size is good for is participating in vehicle combat. Smash some cars! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Hey, I am curious... Where can I get a copy of the April Fools Dragon Rules?
Can't seem to find them.

[Starmage21]

Hey, I am curious... Where can I get a copy of the April Fools Dragon Rules?
Can't seem to find them.

http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/download/p...ers_preview.pdf

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/download/p...ers_preview.pdf

Thanks... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[O'Ryan]

The best thing your massive size is good for is participating in vehicle combat. Smash some cars! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

The downside is all cars outpace dragons easily! Unless they're on a vespa, even if you roll well on "flight" (the dragon version of the running skill), there's no way to keep up if they reach highway speeds.

One of the DMs did a quick mission for him so I could have some personality developed and see how he worked, and I found the single best thing in almost every situation was the "Compulsion" power. Bike gang driving way? Slam on that front brake! Someone shooting at you? Drop the gun!

But yeah, if you can CATCH the car there's very few that'll stand up to 35+ strength!

PS: Trogdyr is now roaming Denver. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Lionhearted]

I'm not sure whether Doll maker approve of you burninating the city streets...

[Mantis]

I'm sure he'll make his displeasure known soon enough. In a pointed way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[ShadowDragon8685]

The downside is all cars outpace dragons easily! Unless they're on a vespa, even if you roll well on "flight" (the dragon version of the running skill), there's no way to keep up if they reach highway speeds.

You live in the sixth world. Improvise. If getting a Spirit to Movement you is troublesome, then strap a couple of stonking great jet engines to your rump.

[Athanatos]

Well, for the life-cycle of dragons it does say that they're incubating eggs for 50-100 years, then 50-100 years as young hatchlings/actually intelligent spell casting wyverns. This is followed by Draconic Puberty that makes them near mindless non-spellcasting rage cases, that are much larger than when they first hatched. Then they recover just in time to enter astral cocoons, generally in the protective area of the Great Dragon that reared them. They are smaller relatively, but still adult stage dragons of their dracoform Type. There were wyverns mentioned as of First Edition implying that they were already at the adolescence stage, atleast a portion of them, those that were before that stage would've been hidden by the great dragon that was rearing them, and would've probably been assured that their slayers wouldn't make it back to talk about what they saw lol. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

For there to be End stage Wyverns around from the beginning means that your True Dragon character could easily be amongst the first to emerge from an astral cocoon, even if it entered relatively recently in the timeline. Also it implies that Eliohan was one such, and he's cannon lol. So was the one that Ehran is shown disecting, but I can't recall which of the many books that was lol. One can also use the fact that Dragons Great and Non-Great alike keep the facts about their life-cycle pretty well disguised(mostly) so a number of the adult dragons shown could fit the same category. As for your character idea, The EarthDawn Dragon book, which is admitted as being connected, by most anyway, had a number of named adults that started the same way.

I say if you can get approval and play it well, go for it! I really like the idea, I had asked a similar question on Dumpshock before.

[Draco18s]

You live in the sixth world. Improvise. If getting a Spirit to Movement you is troublesome, then strap a couple of stonking great jet engines to your rump.

http://www.8manga.com/character/4442.html ;P