Astral disruption and escaping from astral traps, Loophole? Options

[RedmondLarry]

[ShadoFall]

now i cant remember and i dont have my books handy. but i think that when u summon a spirit u have a telepathic link with it.. as long as your in its domain... so u could summon a weak spirit to scout for traps so that u dont fall in to them.. how ever if u are unable to be in that domain u would have to summon a great form spirit.. not sure how that would work for a elemental tho since once its gone a certin distance to do a remote service its gone. but then again i could be completely wrong on this.

[Frag-o Delux]

Thanks OurTeam, like I said I don't do much astral travel, well more accurately I haven't done much fighting astrally. I have done 3 quests total in 13 years. :) That is why my l;atest character is a Snake shaman, I just wanted to test a field I have yet to master in SR. :)

[Kakkaraun]

I was thinking about this earlier today...I was thinking you could slam your head into an astral barrier until you hit D stun ;).

The risk of magic loss sucks...but it's better than dying.

[Rev]

[Talia Invierno]

Can a physical spell (as opposed to mana) affect an astral target?

[shadd4d]

On the astral: I believe so. I'm not aware of rules saying that a spell had to be mana on the astral. Casting a physical spell, though, begs the question why?

There was the old grounding rules (which were...lacking in definition) from 2nd ed. Basically, a physical spell could be cast on a dual natured subject, e.g. an active focus or what have you, and therefore take on an effect in the physical world. Check out the posts dealing with Bernie in Awakenings or the spontaneous combustion of a runner's mage in NAGTRL.

The main thing is that you're on the same wavelength as your target. You have to be astral or be perceiving astrally in order to lob the spell at an astral target. You have to be in the flesh to do it on the physical plane.

Don

[A Clockwork Lime]

Physical Spells cannot affect Astral Forms.

[shadd4d]

Or, I'm wrong. Arrr. 4 more months til I get my books back.

Don

[Aesir]

There seems to be some confusion. I´m confused at least. Do astral forms really suffer damage from moving at high speeds into a barrier. I don´t think so. My notion is that someone or something has to intentionally cause harm to an astral form in order to hurt it (as with the "willpower-melee-struggle" with spirits).

I´ve always liked the idea that an astrally projecting character gets a warning feeling that the meatbod is under attack. Then has to zoom back to it, maybe even search for it, in order to do something about it. Of course this is still true even if 10 boxes of stun to the meatbod disrupts the astral form... Ok i buy that. It sort of makes sense that the pals would use tasers to shock the mage back to his/her body. But in that case there has to be some way to prevent this. There has to be an astral trap or something that is so nasty that none of the "loopholes" apply.


>edit< Wait a minute. Think about this for a minute: A person who´s in a coma has a deadly stun, right? I don´t know, coma is a result of deadly physical damage, but it makes sense that you would have a deadly stun as well, since your uncontious. Well, do we really whant to eliminate the posibility that an astral form could be aware, even travel outside the body while it´s in a coma? I meen, that´s one of the most prevailing myths regarding astral travel there is.

[Kakkaraun]

Okay, both coma and the use of booze and other drugs would probably give you stun damage, but I always interpreted that as not being /stun damage per se/, it's just that that's the easiest way to handle it in the rules.

[RedmondLarry]

[Eyeless Blond]

Bumping this old, old thread as a reference for a similarly old thread.

[Talia Invierno]

:embarassed:

[BitBasher]