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 Apr 22 2004, 06:10 PM
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Apr 22 2004, 07:06 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Gel Packs! :) I note the armor is not all liquid. Indeed, the liquid portion is actually a slurry (solid silica powder plus liquid). It is also laced with kevlar fibers (in fairly normal armor vest format). But those are technicalities. It's still pretty cool. |
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Apr 22 2004, 07:11 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Having it in the kevlar read like it is an application consideration, making it easier to keep a constant thickness to the fluid.
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Apr 22 2004, 07:22 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
SOTA rears it's ugly head. I think all of our personal armor just lost a point. :cyber:
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Apr 22 2004, 07:23 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
Nah. My reality dosen't use those rules. It says they stink :P |
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Apr 22 2004, 09:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Oh that. Someone hasn't been paying attention to my posts! :grinbig:
It is very interesting and shows how much potential there is in advancing body armor technology. Does not really require any new ruling. It just makes any old flexible armor vest better. Would be great to see just how much better it is against firearm-threats at similar thickness/weight. We might have to wait a long time to get that sort of data, however. |
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Apr 22 2004, 09:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
At the same thickness, it should be about twice as heavy, or more. Most modern vest materials (Spectra, Kevlar, etc.) are about as dense as water, but only about half-filled (the rest being air between fibers). This ignores plates, of course. Therefore, filling them up with a liquid about as dense as water will double their mass, if their dimensions stay the same. Silica's notably denser than water, so the liquid will be denser than water, which means the vest will be more than twice as dense. For the same dimensions. |
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Apr 22 2004, 09:13 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
I'd rather haul around some extra weight than have my innards become my out-ards.
But then, i'll probably never see these vests since they're Army. |
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Apr 22 2004, 09:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 5-March 04 From: UK Member No.: 6,125 |
Doesn't that sort of describe Hiro's biking gear from Snow Crash?
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Apr 22 2004, 09:47 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Yes it does. Feels like gritty jello, protects like a stack of telephone books.
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Apr 22 2004, 09:50 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Sintered armorgel. Good stuff.
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Apr 22 2004, 10:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
In other words, this is a good justification for more Concealable but just as heavy body armor.
Sometimes I wish I was a Materials Engineer. ;) |
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Apr 23 2004, 01:14 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
By 2066 they'll have made a version of the gel that a Troll Samurai can use for Blood.
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Apr 23 2004, 01:17 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Man, that would suck! Someone hits the troll with a baseball bat and suddenly all veins in a 2"x4" area rip and become rigid.
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Apr 23 2004, 01:20 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Let's stop this before someone starts talking about what happens when you kick a troll in the crotch and make him angry.
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Apr 23 2004, 03:37 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
...Ow?
~J |
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Apr 23 2004, 04:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Honolulu, HI Member No.: 6,099 |
At the very least you might be able to come up with another specialized version of dermal sheathing or dermal armor that's a little more effective than 'current' SR verisions.
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Apr 23 2004, 04:09 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
More like a cyberware version of Orthoskin, obviously not compatible with dermal.
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Apr 23 2004, 05:08 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Or just a highly concealable version of dermal, because it stays soft most of the time, instead of breast implants, armor implants!
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Apr 23 2004, 05:13 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Which, of course, leads us to the ultimate use of liquid armor: armored breasts.
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Apr 23 2004, 05:25 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
If I punch someone with my LQArmor impregnated hand, does it add +1 power? And does it stack with Bone Lacing?
We should actually submit this to TSS when we finish, because it isn't really a bad idea. |
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Apr 23 2004, 05:28 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
And would it make more sense as Nanoware?
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Apr 23 2004, 10:13 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
I don't see why. It's just gel goop in packets, and a very uncomplicated goop at that. |
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Apr 23 2004, 04:58 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Lewd jokes aside, I really can't see this as a dermal armor. Too many issues with uninentionally puncturing it and leaking potentially toxic stuff into you, as well as the fact that you'll bea dealing with a layer of liquid stuff between you and the rest of the world. Normal dermal armor is bad enough; this would just be bizarre.
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Apr 23 2004, 05:01 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Well, I was thinking Nanoware would make it transient. You'd simply receive an injection and the Nanites would direct the Goop to the dermal layer - preventing over concentration. Primarily, making it nanoware would eliminate the worry of pack rupture. Otherwise, it seems like a pack should/could rupture every time one is shot.
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