Rigger 4, The Curse Lives!!! Options

[Sengir]

and immortal elves have already been shown to be able to netherwalk.

A trickster character has done something which looked to observers as if he teleported. It might as well have been a well-timed combination of Invisibility and Trid Phantom (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[binarywraith]

Sorry, that is simply not true.
Perianwyr's teleport levitate is one example, and then there's a LOT of things that are explained away by "Dragons did it", which is essentially the same as "A wizard did it", which in turn is "because magic".

War!, ghosts in the matrix, technomancers in general... yeah, this mantra really doesn't hold up to CGL's productions.

[bannockburn]

Don't use me to grind your axe, please.
There are a lot of things where mystery adds to the setting and not everything must be explained 100%, especially if something new is introduced.

[Jaid]

the SR demonstration of netherwalking immortal elves is in Harlequin's Back.

there may be others, but that's the one i know of.

[Wakshaani]

... How did we get to Netherwalking from Rigger 4?

[Mach_Ten]

... How did we get to Netherwalking from Rigger 4?

Because MAGIC !! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Iduno]

YOu would have to get the Cyberware, unfortunately. The 'Mech isn't designed as a "Rigger Toy". It's a BettleMech Pilot toy. Its cyberware is envisioned as a very intensive very of Move-By-Wire that runs throughout your body connecting to almost every major nerve cluster, and then you plug into it through a series of ports along your back, allowing the 'Mech to move and operate as an extension of yourself. Which, well, regular rigging kinda does, but this is a giant humanoid robot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Part of the design is so that Ares can keep it "locked down'. This is not something that is supposed to be open development or even mass produced. The cyberware is custom designed and custom tailored to each individual in such a way that it cannot be replicated by outside sources (meaning Ares is the sole supplier of the cyebrware), and the Mechs are designed so that their interface cannot be overridden or bypassed. Which means that there is no way for an enemy rigger/decker/technomancer/AI to hijack the vehicle. (Honestly, if it wouldn't make for shitty game play, I'd design EVERY vehicle in the game this way, since that just makes sense from a security standpoint).

Plus, you know... April Fools product and all. Something like this will likely drastically change the flavor of the game if it were official (Which it is not). But, if your GM wants to use them, cool. And I suppose there's nothing stopping him from allowing a technomancer to mimic the tech needed to run the Warhammer. I might make you learn a new echo or skill though custom to the mech though, dunno. <shrug> (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Good luck and have fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Ok, not missions compatible. Does it work with "Best Ever!"?

[Freya]

the SR demonstration of netherwalking immortal elves is in Harlequin's Back.

there may be others, but that's the one i know of.

[ Spoiler ]

That's a Lightbringer ability described in Earthdawn Companion called Astral Shift. As far as I'm aware, it's only Harlequin that's able to use it in the Shadowrun setting; the only other candidates I can think of are Ehran (assuming he's also a Lightbringer) and maybe Frosty, if Harlequin taught her how. I've never seen any evidence that any of the other IEs are able to do that.

Sorry, back on-topic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Aaron]

the SR demonstration of netherwalking immortal elves is in Harlequin's Back.

there may be others, but that's the one i know of.

I suspect Ehran gets from Portland to Hong Kong in DotA: New Dawn by a method similar to netherwalking, if not actual netherwalking.

Because MAGIC !! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

*headdesk* =i)

[hermit]

I suspect Ehran gets from Portland to Hong Kong in DotA: New Dawn by a method similar to netherwalking, if not actual netherwalking.

There's also an example in House of the Sun, and in Harlequin (the finale with Ehran).

[Bull]

Sorry, that is simply not true.
Perianwyr's teleport levitate is one example, and then there's a LOT of things that are explained away by "Dragons did it", which is essentially the same as "A wizard did it", which in turn is "because magic".

"Because Magic" means we won't do anything without a thought-out explanation. That explanation may involve magic, but it will still follow the rules of Shadowruns magic.

As a note, I know exactly what happened with Peri and how he did what he did. It works within the game rules, and I'm doing a series of Missions adventures for the conventions this year that follow up on Perianwyr, and will explain what happened in there.

Bull

[Bull]

Also I should add that just because the explanation isn't spelled out in detail in tye books doesn't mean there is no explanation. Jackpointers know a lot, often more than they should, but this is still sometimes a limit to how and what information can be presented.

[hermit]

As a note, I know exactly what happened with Peri and how he did what he did. It works within the game rules, and I'm doing a series of Missions adventures for the conventions this year that follow up on Perianwyr, and will explain what happened in there.

Will those actually be released? I know, I know, but ... well ... you know too, right?

[bannockburn]

I am looking forward to those Missions as usual, but if something is just plopped down this way without any explanation whatsoever, it rubs me the wrong way, as I already said in the CoD review (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Unexplained phenomena are quite okay with me. I don't need to have everything spelled out and in hard, cold rules. But if something is presented in such a throwaway fashion as it happened in CoD or SF, it certainly seems like it's not thought through completely.
This may, of course, be later rectified, but if there's not even a mention of it in the corresponding game information chapter (and a 'what happened will be examined in later products' is completely satisfying for me), it appears like 'A wizard did it' in this particular moment. And I'll call it out, because it dissatisfies me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If Peri becomes an Aztlan sympathizer, I may need to diverge from canon once more, though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[FuelDrop]

Back on topic:
Our hacker and rigger don't exactly trust the rest of the group, so we rig modified manservants in many of our interactions with them. The Mitshuhama Nadeshiko is going to be a welcome addition to our arsenal.

[bannockburn]

Yes! The Nadeshiko + A brain in a jar = a happy dronophile.

[Wakshaani]

MCT is watching all of these Nadeshiko's being pulled out of mothballs and sold, you know. Crash 2.0, cutting into profit margins ... harumph!

[Bull]

Will those actually be released? I know, I know, but ... well ... you know too, right?

THe plan is to do like we did with Elven Blood, I believe. Limited print run release at the cons, then available via PDF a few months later. I think. That could change if the Powers THat Be decide to do something different, but as of right now this is the plan.

[bannockburn]

Let it be known that we poor underprivileged people who aren't able to attend convention season in the USA would buy this material as soon as it is available (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[hermit]

Yes! The Nadeshiko + A brain in a jar = a happy dronophile.

Urgh, bannockburn ... brain bleach. I had almost forgotten about that!

THe plan is to do like we did with Elven Blood, I believe. Limited print run release at the cons, then available via PDF a few months later. I think. That could change if the Powers THat Be decide to do something different, but as of right now this is the plan.

I suppose it is too much to ask for the same to happen to London Calling, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

Let it be known that we poor underprivileged people who aren't able to attend convention season in the USA would buy this material as soon as it is available

Oh yes, they totally would.

[Bull]

I suppose it is too much to ask for the same to happen to London Calling, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

I'm not certain what's happening with that right now. Due to other projects that piled up last year, it wasn't able to be put through layout in time for to hit print at the cons last year, and then afterward got set off to teh side. I think at this point they're talking about converting the older CMPs for 5th edition before releasing them, but I'm not really sure what's going on.

Bull

[Ryusukanku]

In the new module, despite being an April 1st release, I find myself liking some of the Low-Tech options.

In an increasingly high-tech world I can see low-tech being a solution to many issues. (as it is I am currently playing a very low-tech character who would find this stuff really interesting)

Still, the steam-powered one really caught me off guard. And now I'm wondering if it could be possible in the setting. After all engineers would have access to all manner of new alloys and composites that could create some pretty lightweight engines.

What do you all think?

[Freya]

Mechanically? I don't see why not. Safely? I wouldn't be too keen to have a heat source to boil water that close to a giant hydrogen balloon unless you plan to name it the Hindenburg.

Then again, that's really not that much sillier than anything else in there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[ShadowDragon8685]

Mechanically? I don't see why not. Safely? I wouldn't be too keen to have a heat source to boil water that close to a giant hydrogen balloon unless you plan to name it the Hindenburg.

Sometimes, you've just gotta burn your britches...

[binarywraith]

Mechanically? I don't see why not. Safely? I wouldn't be too keen to have a heat source to boil water that close to a giant hydrogen balloon unless you plan to name it the Hindenburg.

Just don't paint the balloon with thermite, and you'll have no problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)