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[hermit]

Well, you'd think in a world where you can wave your commlink at something and hack it....but then again, a magician could wave a hand at a guard and control him about as easy.

Maybe they only fire gel rounds?

Probably. Otherwise, guests who get killed because the system hits them and not some perp would ruin McHugh's reputation. The guards can then bag the bad guys and hand them to the Rent-a-Cops. Or maybe it fires Sitch'n'shock, if that's still around in SR5.

[CanRay]

Maybe they only fire gel rounds?

Chemical Rounds with DMSO and Special Sauce. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[hermit]

Chemical Rounds with DMSO and Special Sauce. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif) Enjoy your meal!

[Bigity]

SnS still being around would be a deal breaker for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Nal0n]

SnS still being around would be a deal breaker for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Nonconductivity 6 on all Armor -> what's that SnS you talk about?

[Nath]

Shadowrun is supposed to be very dystopic. It got severely dialed back at the tail end of SR3 and in SR4 though, and one of our design goals in SR5 was to start reinforcing that in the world again.

I would say it was way earlier than that, by late 2nd edition. Novels published around that time did not have many dystopian elements. The Aztlan SB also wasn't half as dystopian as it could have been. I guess the focus given to metaplot centered on actual evil forces or mad entity a lot of attention away from social problems and all that (in a true dystopia, Renraku would have cut a deal with Deus).

[binarywraith]

Apperently Shadowrunners are willing to do runs against the mob for 500 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) now.

So about just stealing Americars and fencing them.

Sounds more profitable to be a chop-shop team than a runner team!

[hermit]

in a true dystopia, Renraku would have cut a deal with Deus

Since the U(CA)S Army was brought in, it was impossible to turn out like that. Not in the 90s and 00s. Besides, the point there was a return of government power to push back the corps. So yes, a lot less dystopic at the time. That is one thing I am kind of glad to see return, though it can be easily overdone.

So about just stealing Americars and fencing them.

Did you even read the file?

[Draco18s]

SnS still being around would be a deal breaker for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

SnS as shotgun-only ammo would be fine. It's allowing it in a holdout pistol (with the SAME damage code) that's absurd.

[Nal0n]

SnS as shotgun-only ammo would be fine. It's allowing it in a holdout pistol (with the SAME damage code) that's absurd.

There is a mechanic that let's negate you SnS almost totally. So what is so bad about it? Hollow-Point is much worse imho...

[binarywraith]

Did you even read the file?

Sadly, I'm not fluent in German, so no.

If I was, I'd be buying their sourcebooks instead, they seem to get better material. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[hermit]

Sadly, I'm not fluent in German, so no.

If I was, I'd be buying their sourcebooks instead, they seem to get better material. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Much better actually. And the entire line's in hardcover, on pretty robust paper with great binding (excluding the Anniversary Edition book). Oh, and they believe in Errata.

However, the adventure clearly says this is a hooding job, so 500 isn't payment for a standard run. You also get free services from a maybe-magical healer (the Johnson) as part of the deal.

[Nal0n]

Sadly, I'm not fluent in German, so no.

If I was, I'd be buying their sourcebooks instead, they seem to get better material. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Just because "we" get it spell-checked, errata'd and with some setting (AGL) specific Add-Ons? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[binarywraith]

Just because "we" get it spell-checked, errata'd and with some setting (AGL) specific Add-Ons? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Shit, man, spellchecking's enough to sell me. Errata I don't have to sweat my brain into reasoning out would blow my mind. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Stahlseele]

We also get all the Racist Bulldrek cut out and replaced by actually good stuff . .

[hermit]

Shit, man, spellchecking's enough to sell me. Errata I don't have to sweat my brain into reasoning out would blow my mind. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

We're just pesky, finicky people like that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) The downside is not everything got translated. DotA only printed, missions S4 not at all, neither Seattle 2072 nor any of the plot hook books.

[binarywraith]

We're just pesky, finicky people like that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) The downside is not everything got translated. DotA only printed, missions S4 not at all, neither Seattle 2072 nor any of the plot hook books.

Does that include WAR?

[Stahlseele]

On the other Hand, we got Print Versions of some of the US PDF Only Stuff too . .
No no, Bogota! Got translated. And all the stupid racist Bulldrek got cut out and replaced by good stuff.

[hermit]

Does that include WAR?

Errata'd and edited for being less offensive, but yes. And with a pretty decent add-on about the German armed forces, the Eurowars, and the first MilSpec Tech. Can't say they didn't make an effort, at least. Stormfront will not be entirely translated, though.

[Black Swan]

Stupid unilingual brain. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Patrick Goodman]

Must...not...lose...temper....

[bannockburn]

Must...not...lose...temper....

I'm interested in why you would?

[Stahlseele]

Errata'd and edited for being less offensive, but yes. And with a pretty decent add-on about the German armed forces, the Eurowars, and the first MilSpec Tech. Can't say they didn't make an effort, at least. Stormfront will not be entirely translated, though.

Cherrypickings!
Everything usefull will get used i think.

[Cheops]

Once upon a time, it was standard ops for character to have a backstory that explained where their 'ware came from. Sometimes it was payment for a run from a desperate fixer or johnson, sometimes it was stolen 'ware, and often they were ex-corp or ex-military who walked off with their hardware still attached.

Started gear does not necessarily represent "Stuff I saved up and bought". It represents the things you've somehow accumulated by hook or by crook prior to the game starting.

Still doesn't justify why someone with 1 million nuyen worth of ware, rigger, or decker gear would ever accept a job for 500 nuyen. That's the type of pay you would have been pulling back when you were first assembling that million worth of gear not what you should be making now.

Not to mention that Mages get paid more than that just to place wards at exactly 0% risk of death.

Things were no different "back in the day" than they are now.

[Critias]

Still doesn't justify why someone with 1 million nuyen worth of ware, rigger, or decker gear would ever accept a job for 500 nuyen. That's the type of pay you would have been pulling back when you were first assembling that million worth of gear not what you should be making now.

Not to mention that Mages get paid more than that just to place wards at exactly 0% risk of death.

Things were no different "back in the day" than they are now.

Maybe because he's doing the job for more than just money?

By your reasoning, no one with a house, a car, a college education, a savings account, a flatscreen, a wife, two kids, a motorcycle, a few guns, prescription glasses, a shelf full of books, and an X-Box 360 should ever accept a job for just some pizza and a beer or two (because seriously, why would they need just some pizza and a few beers, look at all the stuff they have!)...yet friends still help friends move, don't they?