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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,210 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Texas Member No.: 7,685 ![]() |
Instead of talking about missing Skinlinks and matrix bonuses.
Cause we got 11 days to go! Thanks! |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,973 Joined: 4-June 10 Member No.: 18,659 ![]() |
Umm.... There are actual mechanical differences between Magicians and Shaman again!
That's nifty! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 ![]() |
I'm hoping (in fact I know) there's more than that. New Matrix rules for example, especially coming from SR3 these are something I'm curious about (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Mentor Spirits are also intriguing and sound like they've been done cool and I imagine there's a whole slew of Cyber and Biotech I'm not aware of as each edition seems to have introduced something else.
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,946 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 ![]() |
2-3 introduced new stuff (some if it wasn't accessible easily) but Man&Machine certainly has more toys than Shadowtech did (although I do have a soft spot for Shadowtech, got my first real upgrades in my first shadowrun campaign from that book) although not sure what the StreetSamueai Catalogue had in it, so maybe there was stuff I missed.
I could be wrong but I'm sure there was new stuff between 3-4 (or maybe things brought into greater prominence than before). Granted perhaps not a slew but even so, the odd new thingy. I havent bought anything SR in 8 years(ish) and haven't spent on a new edition or system for over a year, so I'm a little keen. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,973 Joined: 4-June 10 Member No.: 18,659 ![]() |
SSC was mostly new guns, and some headware that was making its' first appearance.
But it is the home of the Predator II, the Colt Manhunter, the Panther Assault Cannon, and the Ingram Smartgun all of which I still love 20 years later. Sadly, it was also the start of the scourge that is Form Fitting Body Armor, however it specifically says that it does not stack with any other armor in the book, so I can't hold that against it. Also, the MP Laser, which was the start of the absolute best bit of Shadowlander commentary ever done in the books. The Neon Samurai's war with Ares over the MP Laser systems always drew me in. Seemed like he'd be a really neat Johnson with an axe to grind. Edit: Oo, and the Narcoject stuff, the one item I have consistently ported over to every edition of SR I've ever GM'd, because it is something that is absurdly sensible to have in existence. |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
QUOTE Also, the MP Laser, which was the start of the absolute best bit of Shadowlander commentary ever done in the books. The Neon Samurai's war with Ares over the MP Laser systems always drew me in. Seemed like he'd be a really neat Johnson with an axe to grind. Except for the fact he died in (I think) Fields of Fire or Cybertechnology. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,973 Joined: 4-June 10 Member No.: 18,659 ![]() |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
I am definitily sure he died in some book, but it's been a while.
Edit: Looked it up, and I guess I was wrong; he should still be around. |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 ![]() |
Some say he changed his handle to the LED Samurai, but this is unconfirmed.
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
AR Samurai, because the world now is all wireless and shit.
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Grumpy Old Ork Decker ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50 ![]() |
He died during the Burger Franchise War of '67. He went down defending the Clawn. It was sad.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,091 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,973 Joined: 4-June 10 Member No.: 18,659 ![]() |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,962 Joined: 27-February 13 Member No.: 76,875 ![]() |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,946 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 ![]() |
I will double check but the magic traditions are seperated exactly as they were in fourth.
And honestly that's not a bad thing, as much as it is nice to have some seperation of traditions thematicly having multiple systems is dumb. On the other hand "choose your drain stat" is also kind of dumb. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,210 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Texas Member No.: 7,685 ![]() |
Having some good differences between traditions can be nice and make for good roleplaying.
But I don't think I would go back to Shamans being the only one to summon a Spirit and Hermetics being the only one to bind them. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 284 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Metroplex Member No.: 217 ![]() |
Having some good differences between traditions can be nice and make for good roleplaying. But I don't think I would go back to Shamans being the only one to summon a Spirit and Hermetics being the only one to bind them. Shamans summoned Nature Spirits, and Mages summoned elementals in 1st through 3rd editions. Both made exactly the same conjuring test and it was the spirits themselves that had the different mechanics. That distinction was made up by 4th edition to try and revert the setting. It was a creative enough re-imagining of the system, but didn't really go far enough to bring back the feeling of having two (or more) different paradigm-types of Magic. I hope fifth will take it further. |
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Freelance Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 ![]() |
The big(ger) shaman/magician divide was an idea we wanted to have fun with, but in the end it got shuffled off to a splatbook. SR5 is friggin' huge, and we decided to keep the basics, well, basic. So the core doesn't have a bigger difference than SR4 did, but the plan is to have more stuff to differentiate between them in a later book.
And yes, Mentor Spirits got a bit of a change. Since -- unlike most of what's been discussed so far -- I did play a larger role in that (in that the guy busy writing all the rest of the magic chapter was kind enough to let my adept-lovin' self brainstorm and stuff extensively, and then he liked some of my ideas ad we hammered stuff out), though, I won't share it, personally. Someone who can be a bit more objective will have to. |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 ![]() |
I think I am going with a Mentor Spirit that appears to me as Michael Weston. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 ![]() |
Not Morgan Freeman?
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 ![]() |
That was my second choice with Sean Connery tieing with him.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 ![]() |
How about Patrick Stewart?
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