SR5 Combat Thoughts, Wild West Gunfighters Options

[quentra]

So, having gotten my grubby paws on SR5, I did what any respectable player would do and built a character. My concept this time around was a Mr. Lucky, seeing as I could get 8 Edge on a human pretty damn easily. This is James 'Irish Luck' McCallen, a small time courier looking to move up in the world with Mob connections.

Priority A Attributes
Priority B Skills
Priority C Metatype (Human)
Priority D Resources
Priority E -

[ Spoiler ]

==Info==
James 'Irish Luck' McCallen
Human
Composure: 9
Judge Intentions: 9
Lift/Carry: 6
Memory: 6

==Attributes==
Body: 3
Strength: 3
Agility: 5
Reaction: 6
Will: 3
Logic: 3
Intuition: 3
Charisma: 6
Edge: 7

==Derived Attributes==
Essence: 5.3
Initiative: 9+1d6
Physical Limit: 5
Mental Limit: 4
Social Limit: 7
Physical Damage: 10
Stun Damage: 10

==Active Skills==
Archery (Bow) 3 (5)
Gym. (Parkour) 4 (6)
Sneak (Urban) 4 (6)
Running (Urban) 3 (5)
Swimming (L. Dist.) 1 (3)
Palming (Pickpocket) 2 (4)
Con (Fast Talk) 3 (5)
Etiquette (Mafia) 2 (4)
Perception (Visual) 5 (7)
Negotiation 3
Navigation 2
Close Combat 2
Firearms 3

==Knowledge Skills==
IK: Sports 4
IK: Alcohol 2
SK: Syndicates (Mob) 5(7)

==Contacts==
Ares Arms Executive L2 C5
Mafia Made Man L4 C2
Local Fixer L1 C4
Bartender L1 C1

==Qualities==
Lucky
Insomnia (15 Karma Level)

==Cyber/Bio-ware==
Cybereyes Rating 3
w/ Image Link, Cam, FC, LL, Thermo, Vis Mag
Datajack
Data Lock Rating 6
Sleep Regulator

==Weapons==
Forearm Blade
Shock Gloves
Bow Rating 3
Ares LightFire 75 w/ Silencer, Smartlink
Ares Crusader II w/ GV 2, Smartlink
Defiance T-250 w/ Top Ext. SL, Shock Pad

==Armour==
Actioneer Business Clothes w/ Biomonitor, Concealable Holster, Nonconductivity Rating 4

==Commlink==
Erika Elite

==Ammo==
SnS L.Pistol x20
Explosive Shotgun x10
Normal M.Pistol x100
Arrow R3 x10

==Gear==
Tag Eraser
Direct. Jammer Rating 6
White Noise Gen. Rating 6
Mapsoft (Seattle)
Fake SIN Rating 4 - UCAS - Jason Brown
Fake License Rating 4 - UCAS - Jason Brown, Defiance T-250
Glasses Rating 3 w/ Vision Enh. Rating 3
Headphones Rating 6 w/ Audio Enh. Rating 3 w/ S.S. Filter Rating 3
Gecko Tape Gloves 250

==Lifestyle==
Low, 1 Month, Dangerous Area

==Starting Yen==
3d6*60+670

Having finished my Mr. Lucky, I decided to throw a combat scenario at him. He's doing a courier job for Ares, transferring some highly secret MCT paydata in his noggin'. The Yaks figure out where he is, a shitty motel on the corners of Tacoma, and bust through the door. Irish Luck has just enough time to grab his trusty Defiance T-250 and jump behind the cheap motel bed.

[ Spoiler ]

Initiative: Turn 1
Irish Luck - 12 (11)
Yak1 - 9
Yak2 - 9
AdeptYak - 17 (7)

Environment - Low Light, Light Smoke. -3 DP

Round 1:

AdeptYak aims, then unleashes a hail of gunfire on IL. DP 12, Ruger, SL. Acc 8. Final DP of 12-3+1=10
Result: 4,1,1,6,6,6,5,5,3,1, 5 Hits.
Irish Luck is crouched behind a bed, receiving good cover. +4 DP. He rolls his defense test, Reaction 6+Intution 3+4=13
Result: 2,4,4,3,5,4,6,6,5,6,1,2,2, 5 Hits, Tied.
The over-sized revolver punches a hole in the cheap plastic of the motel bed, and manages to hit Irish Luck on the other side.
Irish Luck suddenly feels a rush of luck, and spends a point of Edge (1) before the Damage Resistance Test. His DP is Armor 6+Body 3+ Edge 8=17 against a DV of 8.
Result: 2,1,2,2,2,2,3,2,2,1,5,2,6,1,5,3,5, 4 Hits, 1 Ro6. 6, 5 Hits, 1 Ro6. 6, 6 Hits, 1 Ro6. 3, 0 Hits. 6 Hits.
The shot sails past Irish Luck's arm, luckily only leaving a large gash. Still, the pain and blood is mildly distracting. 2 Damage, -1 wound penalty.
Irish Luck's initiative drops 1 point. His Defiance T-250 roars at the Yak Adept, loaded with Ex. He aims and edges (2). (1 Bullet)
DP is Agi 5+Firearms 3+Edge 8+Aim 1+SL 2-1 Wound=18 DP. Thermo eliminates vision penalty. DV is 10+1 Ex=11. AP is -2.
Result: 2,6,2,4,5,2,6,5,5,3,4,4,3,6,5,4,5,1, 8 Hits, 3 Ro6. 2,5,6, 10 Hits, 1 Ro6. 3,5, 11 Hits.
The Yak goon has no cover, and takes -10 init to drop into full defense. DP is Rea 6+Int 4+Wil 5=15 DP.
Result: 3,5,1,4,2,1,4,3,3,3,1,4,3,6,2, 2 Hits. He spends edge to rerolls failures, no Ro6. 4,2,5,1,1,4,6,2,2,3,1,4,4, 3 Hits. 8 Net Hits.
DV is raised to 19. Armour is 12. Yak rolls Armour 12+Body 5=17 DP.
Result: 6,2,2,4,6,6,1,2,4,3,5,2,1,2,2,1,4 4 Hits. DV 19-4=15.
Yak Adept has 12 boxes, takes 15 damage and goes into overflow. Yak's chest explodes into bloody chunks and he goes down.
Yak Goons roll composure to stay in the fight. Cha 2+Wil 3+2 edge=7 DP. Threshold average. They spend their last edge to stay in the fight. DP +2.
Result: 2,5,4,6,2,3,4, 2 Hits.
The Yaks manage to keep together after seeing their leader go down, and dive for cover. One grunt crouches behind a close, and the other goes behind a door.
They both let loose with Uzi's. They have low-light. DP is Skill 3+Laser 1+Agi 4-1 Recoil-1 Environment=6 DP.
Result: 4,1,5,6,4,6, 3 Hits.
Irish Luck is still tucked behind cover, desperately moving to avoid the attack. Rea 6+Int 3-Wound 1-2 BF+4 cover=10
Results: 2,4,2,3,1,2,4,1,4,1, no hits. He spends edge (3) to reroll failures, no Ro6. 2,4,5,3,5,2,2,4,5,2, 3 Hits, tie. Attack penetrates, DV 7-1=6.
His armour is higher than the damage value, so he takes stun. Dam resistance is 8+3=11
Result: 4,4,6,2,3,2,1,4,4,4,6, 2 Hits. He spends edge (4) to reroll failures. 2,1,1,5,2,5,6,5,3, 6 Hits.
One of the bullets punch through the cheap flimsy motel bed, but his armour luckily stops the bullet.
The other Yak attacks. DP is 6.
Results: 3,3,5,4,2,5, 2 Hits.
He tries to avoid the shot once again. DP is 9.
Results: 2,6,1,3,3,1,6,1,4, 2 Hits.
The bullets are really starting to make their mark on the bed. DV is 6. Irish Lucks makes his soak roll, spending edge. (5)
Results: 1,4,6,1,1,1,5,5,1,1,6,2,2,2,5,3,4,5,4, 6 Hits, 2 Ro6. 1,4, 6 hits.
Once again his armour takes the blow. He gets his second pass, and shoots back at the Yak behind the closet after aiming, spending edge. (6) DP is 18. (2 Bullets)
Results: 6,1,6,4,2,6,4,6,2,6,4,4,6,4,6,4,6,4, 8 Hits, 8 Ro6. 3,2,4,1,5,2,6,1, 10 Hits, 1 Ro6. 6, 11 Hits, 1 R06. 2, 11 Hits.
The Yak goon hopes for the best. Rea 4+Int 3=7 DP.
Results: 5,4,1,4,5,2,5, 3 Hits. 8 Net Hits.
The explosive slugs pound through the closet and into the Yak. AP is -2, DV is 19 DP is 14.
Results: 3,5,3,2,1,5,1,3,2,3,6,6,5,5, 6 Hits. 19-6=13.
The Yak goon screams in pain as his knees turn to red goo, falling to the ground.

Round 2:
Initiative:
IL init is 9-1 Wound=8+1d6.
Goon init is 7+1d6.
IL Result: 5,5,2,5,6,2,3,4, 4 hits, init is - 12
Goon Result: 1,2,5,5,5,2,5, 4 hits, init is - 11-10 = 1-2 = -1

Irish Luck turns to the last goon, takes aim and fires. DP is 10, Acc is 7. (3 Bullets)
Results: 6,4,5,5,2,6,6,1,1,4, 5 Hits.
The Goon tries to avoid joining his comrades in dying by going on full defense. 10 DP.
Results: 2,1,2,2,6,4,3,4,3,6, 2 Hits. 3 Net Hits.
The explosive rounds were well worth the money. DV is 14. The goon wishes he had time to pray. DP is 14.
Results: 3,6,1,6,2,6,6,6,1,6,5,6,3,5, 9 Hits. 14-9=5
Apparently, the goon's ancestor didn't need a prayer and were watching out anyway. Goon takes 5 boxes of damage, -2 Wound.
The pain is too distracting for him to act, so Irish Luck tries to finish him off, aims and fires. DP is 10. (4 Bullets)
Results: 2,5,2,4,6,3,4,6,2,1, 3 Hits.
The goon better hope his ancestor's really care. He's still in Full Defense DP is 10-2 Wound-1 Defended Against Previous Attack=7.
Results: 6,6,5,2,5,4,4, 4 Hits.
Irish Luck is using all of it up. The shot misses.

Round 3:
Initiative:
IL - 10
Goon - 7

Irish Luck has one last bullet left. He grits his teeth, aims and shoots. DP is 10.
Results: 1,3,1,3,5,4,1,4,1,5, 2 Hits.
The goon rolls to avoid the final countdown. DP is 5.
Results: 6,3,2,6,1, 2 Hits. Tie.
Unfortunately, the brick of the door blocks the explosive rounds from finishing the job. No damage.
The remaining Yak goon takes this as a sign to run, and does.
Irish Luck, bleeding and exhausted, shoves his shotgun back into a sports bag and runs the other way. He's had enough violence for today.

Thoughts: First off, Edge is fucking awesome. Secondly, the tying on cover thing. Wtf. Thoughts, anyway? I'll be running the Matrix and some magic later in the week, so stay tuned!

[RelentlessImp]

Okay, I've seen references to tie rules, and they seem pretty geared towards defender except in cover? I guess that's because someone in cover is mostly stationary making it easier for the attacker to hit through cover on a tie or something. At least Edge refreshes quicker, but he's still gonna be eight hours of downtime before he gets a point back, though.

[quentra]

What's annoying about the tying rules means that you're incentivised to not be in cover and go High Noon style, if you're facing an opponent with comparable DP. Which is stupid.

[kerbarian]

What's annoying about the tying rules means that you're incentivised to not be in cover and go High Noon style, if you're facing an opponent with comparable DP. Which is stupid.

Since the 4 dice from good cover average 1.3 hits, you're slightly (0.3 hits) less likely to be hit when behind good cover than standing in the open, and when you are hit it will be for a bit less damage. Those are both minor effects, though. Using good cover isn't actively bad for you, but the benefits aren't very impressive.

Using partial cover, however, makes you *more* likely to get hit and should be avoided. Which seems like a flaw in the rules.

This is all assuming the cover doesn't have enough armor to stop the incoming bullets outright. If you can take partial cover behind a concrete pillar, that's generally still a good idea.

[Makki]

At least Edge refreshes quicker, but he's still gonna be eight hours of downtime before he gets a point back, though.

laying low in safehouse for 2 days isn't uncommon. that's 6 points of Edge refreshed

[Sendaz]

laying low in safehouse for 2 days isn't uncommon. that's 6 points of Edge refreshed

And your GM can award an edge point restored for various reasons listed in the book.

This is to promote more cinematic/roleplaying/over the top fun in general. So by playing big you get big in kind.

[Moirdryd]

While I still think the Glancing Hit thing adds some mud to the waters of the system. I can understand the logic behind the getting hit behind cover rule. It is making the reasonable assumption that being in the open gives you more room to move but is obscuring nothing of a gunmans LOS. So no bonus but the glancing is going to rip cloth and skim the flesh.
However, if you're ducking into cover, your mobility is reduced. Sure you're harder to land the hit on(bonus dice) but if they get a bead on you that hit is more likely to go centre mass. So no glancing (a little weird yes, but I can understand the thought line). Also what you're hiding behind makes a BIG difference as anything tougher than heavy material will stop a heavy pistol or an assault rifle round dead. Of course anything lighting will only drop that DV by 1. On that note I'd be tempted to say by Grade-1 as a Houserule. (flimsy no penalty, light -1 heavy -2 etc)

[forgarn]

nm

[Moirdryd]

Unless you're in cover.

[Skynet]

After just rereading the part about penetrating weapons and barriers: The DV actually gets decreased by 1 per bullet, which means that autofire is less likely to penetrate cover than a single shot (because there is no DV-increase from autofire any more). Go figure.

[Moirdryd]

-1 for 1 bullet
-2 for 3 bullets
-3 for 6 bullets
-4 for 10 bullets

Which brings it fairly in line with the Dodge Penalties curve for getting out of the way of those bursts.

[Skynet]

Shame on me for reading something into it, which wasn't really there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
Mea culpa

I'd still prefer autofire to give at least a bit of an advantage for all that recoil and spent ammo (except for the added barrier-damage).

[Moirdryd]

It's certainly not an ideal rule, but it follows the "cinematic combat" concepts that seem to have been espoused in SR to a degree. We all know that peppering a door with bullets is obviously less effective should it hit than a single round popped through that door (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[forgarn]

So, having gotten my grubby paws on SR5, I did what any respectable player would do and built a character. My concept this time around was a Mr. Lucky, seeing as I could get 8 Edge on a human pretty damn easily. This is James 'Irish Luck' McCallen, a small time courier looking to move up in the world with Mob connections.

Priority A Attributes
Priority B Skills
Priority C Metatype (Human)
Priority D Resources
Priority E -

[ Spoiler ]

==Info==
James 'Irish Luck' McCallen
Human
Composure: 9
Judge Intentions: 9
Lift/Carry: 6
Memory: 6

==Attributes==
Body: 3
Strength: 3
Agility: 5
Reaction: 6
Will: 3
Logic: 3
Intuition: 3
Charisma: 6
Edge: 7

==Derived Attributes==
Essence: 5.3
Initiative: 9+1d6
Physical Limit: 5
Mental Limit: 4
Social Limit: 7
Physical Damage: 10
Stun Damage: 10

==Active Skills==
Archery (Bow) 3 (5)
Gym. (Parkour) 4 (6)
Sneak (Urban) 4 (6)
Running (Urban) 3 (5)
Swimming (L. Dist.) 1 (3)
Palming (Pickpocket) 2 (4)
Con (Fast Talk) 3 (5)
Etiquette (Mafia) 2 (4)
Perception (Visual) 5 (7)
Negotiation 3
Navigation 2
Close Combat 2
Firearms 3

==Knowledge Skills==
IK: Sports 4
IK: Alcohol 2
SK: Syndicates (Mob) 5(7)

==Contacts==
Ares Arms Executive L2 C5
Mafia Made Man L4 C2
Local Fixer L1 C4
Bartender L1 C1

==Qualities==
Lucky
Insomnia (15 Karma Level)

==Cyber/Bio-ware==
Cybereyes Rating 3
w/ Image Link, Cam, FC, LL, Thermo, Vis Mag
Datajack
Data Lock Rating 6
Sleep Regulator

==Weapons==
Forearm Blade
Shock Gloves
Bow Rating 3
Ares LightFire 75 w/ Silencer, Smartlink
Ares Crusader II w/ GV 2, Smartlink
Defiance T-250 w/ Top Ext. SL, Shock Pad

==Armour==
Actioneer Business Clothes w/ Biomonitor, Concealable Holster, Nonconductivity Rating 4

==Commlink==
Erika Elite

==Ammo==
SnS L.Pistol x20
Explosive Shotgun x10
Normal M.Pistol x100
Arrow R3 x10

==Gear==
Tag Eraser
Direct. Jammer Rating 6
White Noise Gen. Rating 6
Mapsoft (Seattle)
Fake SIN Rating 4 - UCAS - Jason Brown
Fake License Rating 4 - UCAS - Jason Brown, Defiance T-250
Glasses Rating 3 w/ Vision Enh. Rating 3
Headphones Rating 6 w/ Audio Enh. Rating 3 w/ S.S. Filter Rating 3
Gecko Tape Gloves 250

==Lifestyle==
Low, 1 Month, Dangerous Area

==Starting Yen==
3d6*60+670

Having finished my Mr. Lucky, I decided to throw a combat scenario at him. He's doing a courier job for Ares, transferring some highly secret MCT paydata in his noggin'. The Yaks figure out where he is, a shitty motel on the corners of Tacoma, and bust through the door. Irish Luck has just enough time to grab his trusty Defiance T-250 and jump behind the cheap motel bed.

[ Spoiler ]

Initiative: Turn 1
Irish Luck - 12 (11)
Yak1 - 9
Yak2 - 9
AdeptYak - 17 (7)

Environment - Low Light, Light Smoke. -3 DP

Round 1:

AdeptYak aims, then unleashes a hail of gunfire on IL. DP 12, Ruger, SL. Acc 8. Final DP of 12-3+1=10
Result: 4,1,1,6,6,6,5,5,3,1, 5 Hits.
Irish Luck is crouched behind a bed, receiving good cover. +4 DP. He rolls his defense test, Reaction 6+Intution 3+4=13
Result: 2,4,4,3,5,4,6,6,5,6,1,2,2, 5 Hits, Tied.
The over-sized revolver punches a hole in the cheap plastic of the motel bed, and manages to hit Irish Luck on the other side.
Irish Luck suddenly feels a rush of luck, and spends a point of Edge (1) before the Damage Resistance Test. His DP is Armor 6+Body 3+ Edge 8=17 against a DV of 8.
Result: 2,1,2,2,2,2,3,2,2,1,5,2,6,1,5,3,5, 4 Hits, 1 Ro6. 6, 5 Hits, 1 Ro6. 6, 6 Hits, 1 Ro6. 3, 0 Hits. 6 Hits.
The shot sails past Irish Luck's arm, luckily only leaving a large gash. Still, the pain and blood is mildly distracting. 2 Damage, -1 wound penalty.
Irish Luck's initiative drops 1 point. His Defiance T-250 roars at the Yak Adept, loaded with Ex. He aims and edges (2). (1 Bullet)
DP is Agi 5+Firearms 3+Edge 8+Aim 1+SL 2-1 Wound=18 DP. Thermo eliminates vision penalty. DV is 10+1 Ex=11. AP is -2.
Result: 2,6,2,4,5,2,6,5,5,3,4,4,3,6,5,4,5,1, 8 Hits, 3 Ro6. 2,5,6, 10 Hits, 1 Ro6. 3,5, 11 Hits.
The Yak goon has no cover, and takes -10 init to drop into full defense. DP is Rea 6+Int 4+Wil 5=15 DP.
Result: 3,5,1,4,2,1,4,3,3,3,1,4,3,6,2, 2 Hits. He spends edge to rerolls failures, no Ro6. 4,2,5,1,1,4,6,2,2,3,1,4,4, 3 Hits. 8 Net Hits.
DV is raised to 19. Armour is 12. Yak rolls Armour 12+Body 5=17 DP.
Result: 6,2,2,4,6,6,1,2,4,3,5,2,1,2,2,1,4 4 Hits. DV 19-4=15.
Yak Adept has 12 boxes, takes 15 damage and goes into overflow. Yak's chest explodes into bloody chunks and he goes down.
Yak Goons roll composure to stay in the fight. Cha 2+Wil 3+2 edge=7 DP. Threshold average. They spend their last edge to stay in the fight. DP +2.
Result: 2,5,4,6,2,3,4, 2 Hits.
The Yaks manage to keep together after seeing their leader go down, and dive for cover. One grunt crouches behind a close, and the other goes behind a door.
They both let loose with Uzi's. They have low-light. DP is Skill 3+Laser 1+Agi 4-1 Recoil-1 Environment=6 DP.
Result: 4,1,5,6,4,6, 3 Hits.
Irish Luck is still tucked behind cover, desperately moving to avoid the attack. Rea 6+Int 3-Wound 1-2 BF+4 cover=10
Results: 2,4,2,3,1,2,4,1,4,1, no hits. He spends edge (3) to reroll failures, no Ro6. 2,4,5,3,5,2,2,4,5,2, 3 Hits, tie. Attack penetrates, DV 7-1=6.
His armour is higher than the damage value, so he takes stun. Dam resistance is 8+3=11
Result: 4,4,6,2,3,2,1,4,4,4,6, 2 Hits. He spends edge (4) to reroll failures. 2,1,1,5,2,5,6,5,3, 6 Hits.
One of the bullets punch through the cheap flimsy motel bed, but his armour luckily stops the bullet.
The other Yak attacks. DP is 6.
Results: 3,3,5,4,2,5, 2 Hits.
He tries to avoid the shot once again. DP is 9.
Results: 2,6,1,3,3,1,6,1,4, 2 Hits.
The bullets are really starting to make their mark on the bed. DV is 6. Irish Lucks makes his soak roll, spending edge. (5)
Results: 1,4,6,1,1,1,5,5,1,1,6,2,2,2,5,3,4,5,4, 6 Hits, 2 Ro6. 1,4, 6 hits.
Once again his armour takes the blow. He gets his second pass, and shoots back at the Yak behind the closet after aiming, spending edge. (6) DP is 18. (2 Bullets)
Results: 6,1,6,4,2,6,4,6,2,6,4,4,6,4,6,4,6,4, 8 Hits, 8 Ro6. 3,2,4,1,5,2,6,1, 10 Hits, 1 Ro6. 6, 11 Hits, 1 R06. 2, 11 Hits.
The Yak goon hopes for the best. Rea 4+Int 3=7 DP.
Results: 5,4,1,4,5,2,5, 3 Hits. 8 Net Hits.
The explosive slugs pound through the closet and into the Yak. AP is -2, DV is 19 DP is 14.
Results: 3,5,3,2,1,5,1,3,2,3,6,6,5,5, 6 Hits. 19-6=13.
The Yak goon screams in pain as his knees turn to red goo, falling to the ground.

Round 2:
Initiative:
IL init is 9-1 Wound=8+1d6.
Goon init is 7+1d6.
IL Result: 5,5,2,5,6,2,3,4, 4 hits, init is - 12
Goon Result: 1,2,5,5,5,2,5, 4 hits, init is - 11-10 = 1-2 = -1

Irish Luck turns to the last goon, takes aim and fires. DP is 10, Acc is 7. (3 Bullets)
Results: 6,4,5,5,2,6,6,1,1,4, 5 Hits.
The Goon tries to avoid joining his comrades in dying by going on full defense. 10 DP.
Results: 2,1,2,2,6,4,3,4,3,6, 2 Hits. 3 Net Hits.
The explosive rounds were well worth the money. DV is 14. The goon wishes he had time to pray. DP is 14.
Results: 3,6,1,6,2,6,6,6,1,6,5,6,3,5, 9 Hits. 14-9=5
Apparently, the goon's ancestor didn't need a prayer and were watching out anyway. Goon takes 5 boxes of damage, -2 Wound.
The pain is too distracting for him to act, so Irish Luck tries to finish him off, aims and fires. DP is 10. (4 Bullets)
Results: 2,5,2,4,6,3,4,6,2,1, 3 Hits.
The goon better hope his ancestor's really care. He's still in Full Defense DP is 10-2 Wound-1 Defended Against Previous Attack=7.
Results: 6,6,5,2,5,4,4, 4 Hits.
Irish Luck is using all of it up. The shot misses.

Round 3:
Initiative:
IL - 10
Goon - 7

Irish Luck has one last bullet left. He grits his teeth, aims and shoots. DP is 10.
Results: 1,3,1,3,5,4,1,4,1,5, 2 Hits.
The goon rolls to avoid the final countdown. DP is 5.
Results: 6,3,2,6,1, 2 Hits. Tie.
Unfortunately, the brick of the door blocks the explosive rounds from finishing the job. No damage.
The remaining Yak goon takes this as a sign to run, and does.
Irish Luck, bleeding and exhausted, shoves his shotgun back into a sports bag and runs the other way. He's had enough violence for today.

Thoughts: First off, Edge is fucking awesome. Secondly, the tying on cover thing. Wtf. Thoughts, anyway? I'll be running the Matrix and some magic later in the week, so stay tuned!

What quality did you take that make you take a would penalty for 2 dmg? It is every 3 unless you have something that lowers that (like low pain threshold, etc)

[X-Kalibur]

What quality did you take that make you take a would penalty for 2 dmg? It is every 3 unless you have something that lowers that (like low pain threshold, etc)

That or he assumed that any mark on that row gave the -1 and the next row gave -2 at box 4.

[quentra]

That or he assumed that any mark on that row gave the -1 and the next row gave -2 at box 4.

That, that's how I ran SR4 wounds as well. Minor thing, anyway, 1 dice wouldn'tve mattered much either way.

It's certainly not an ideal rule, but it follows the "cinematic combat" concepts that seem to have been espoused in SR to a degree. We all know that peppering a door with bullets is obviously less effective should it hit than a single round popped through that door (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Apparently. It would be nice for a bit of consistency. Regardless, one more thing to house rule.