Adept-Fu Decision..., Do Killing Hands Function in Stun? Options

[Drain Brain]

Here's the impetus...

The BBB says:

[A Clockwork Lime]

The quote is pretty specific. You can do your normal Stun unarmed damage [(STR)M Stun augmented by things like Bone Lacing or whatever], or the purchased level of Physical damage.

[TinkerGnome]

It's in the FAQ. Actually, it's not, I'm misremembering this:

[Shadow]

Can someone translate this for me? It seems like a interesting question.

[A Clockwork Lime]

Translation: He's asking how you handle Killing Hands when a character only wants to do Stun damage. If you have Killing Hands D, can you do a Deadly Stun attack with it instead of Deadly Physical?

[Drain Brain]

Quite right, Lime, that's exactly what I'm asking. It just seemed a little... I dunno, unfair (?) that purchasing such an uber unarmed bonus would do great things for those that wanted to kill with a single blow, but suck rear if one wanted to be able to "almost always render the opponent unconscious with a single blow" - think of a STR: 8 or so character with KH:D - almost an instant knockout if the dice go their way.

I'm looking at in terms of the non-killing theorem (like why runners use gel rounds) and also for sparring - you want to practice your magical art in the form of killing hands, but you don't want to accidentally kill the guy you're sparring with.

[ElastiZombie]

I'm thinking something like this: (inspired by the FAQ quote)
Increase the target number when doing stun damage, given that you have to focus on not killing your opponent like you were trained to with Killing Hands. This only applies to anything greater than normal hand to hand damage. (i.e. Moderate) Target numbers increase as wound level increases.

For example:
Killing Hands at Deadly level -> Stun Damage at Deadly = TN+2
Killing Hands at Serious level -> Stun Damage at Serious = TN+1

Or something like that..
Thoughts?

[Lilt]

It's OT, but what would people think of a reduced cost version of killing hands that only does stun damage? IE: Something to up the damage level of your HTH attacks, or enchantify your basic melee attacks cheaply.

As for the question posed: I'm fine with the system the way it is (you don't get the killing hands damage level on melee attacks). If You don't KO them with one punch then you probably will do with your next (Str)M Stun attack as they have +2 to TNs.

[Nikoli]

For that, just wear Shock gloves

[A Clockwork Lime]

I already have that power.

Haymaker
Cost: 1 (Serious) or 3 (Deadly)

This power works exactly like Killing Hands save that it augments the adept's natural Stun damage from Moderate to the purchased level. Like Killing Hands, it's equally effective on the astral plane or for purposes of defeating Immunity to Natural Weapons.

Note that since the adept starts with Moderate Stun naturally, the costs are effectively identical to Killing Hands at the same level.

[Senchae]

[Lilt]

@ACL, Not quite, There's still the possibility of magicifying the adept's natural (Str)M Stun... That should definately not be free. 0.25 PPs sound OK?

[A Clockwork Lime]

All the other perks are pretty much free as part of other powers (you need Astral Perception at the very least to attack astral entities, and any magical augmentation such as Distance Strike and potentially even Improved Ability: Unarmed Combat will allow you to defeat Immunity to Natural Weapons). But sure, if you wanna go that route 0.25 sounds fine to me.