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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 30-May 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 4,652  |
http://timeline.dumpshock.com
Probably the best timeline out there, it has it all with references for more info as needed. |
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May 6 2004, 10:28 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
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May 7 2004, 11:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
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May 7 2004, 12:08 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
Use Babelfish for the German map page. Not the best translation in the world, but you'll be able to figure out what stuff is before you click on it. The Abstruse One |
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May 7 2004, 01:00 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
I'll just join the chorus to say :Don't do any decking! My groups been playing for years and our deckers are all NPC's. Not only are the rules confusing when you're starting but the matrix play slows down the game flow as everyone else sits around and waits. NPC deckers don't disrupt the flow and are great for plot exposition."Ok guys this is what I found out..."
People keep saying combat is deadly. this cannot be stressed enough. In D&D even a first level fighter in not likely to die from one hit by an ork. In SR a character whose been around for years can be blow away by only one burst of an MG. When we first started we had one player run an ork street sam. He decided he didn'ty need any body armor. The first burst of gun fire from an Uzi shredded him. Style wise the big difference from D&D is that SR lets you pick skills for a character, you aren't limited to a traditional role. For example a mage in D&D is pretty pathetic in a fight. In SR , if you want to use the points to develop him that way you can have a mage who's hell on wheels in a brawl, or a sneak thief or what ever. |
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May 7 2004, 03:56 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
I'll disagree. The decking rules are deceptive in that they're very simple to use in practice but hard to learn from scratch. I'd definitely discourage pure deckers, and try to avoid a lot of wholely Matrix action, but any PC with a deck and computer skill can use the search rules in Matrix to great effect.
Aside from that, you really can run a matrix run in < 10 minutes if you know the rules. It's just a bunch computer + hacking pool rolls against some system rating - some program rating with the system rolling its rating in dice against your masking rating every time you do something. |
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May 7 2004, 04:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 26-February 02 From: UCAS Member No.: 1,015 |
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May 7 2004, 05:30 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I disagree completely. This happens only when a GM goes gung-ho on description of the host, which should only happen if the host is the central part to the run. Decking, when not bogged down by unneccessary description (and this is one of the few areas where less is more), becomes a quick series of dierolls that are resolved pretty quickly. It gets a tad iffy if the decker starts triggering IC of all varieties, but that's usually a sign that it's time to jack out and come back later. ~J |
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May 7 2004, 09:15 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 2-May 04 Member No.: 6,297 |
Awesome, just what I needed!
Thanks! |
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May 7 2004, 11:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 476 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Fresno, CFS: taking out one durned furriner at a time. Member No.: 5,940 |
I'll echo the previous posters in saying Decking is not as bad as it looks. But what truely slows down the game? Combat. If I'm not playing a combat character, nothing tells me it's time for a food run like the runners meeting security. The decker, the face, the average mage (not counting combat mages) and the rigger (enless it's outside) all twiddle their thumbs while the gunbunnies have their fun. If the decker doesn't get his time to shine and have fun, I'm demanding all Sams to be prohibited from entering combat. |
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May 7 2004, 11:43 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
A rigger can easily make a nice combat-capable Body 1 rotodrone to go along with the sammies. I've got a flamethrower drone that'll send 'em running for the huts.
The huts being, y'know, cubicles. But that's ok. ~J |
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May 8 2004, 09:22 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 57 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,877 |
If you're looking for a prepackaged adventure, Eye Witness is quite good, and 3rd ed. It doesn't require a decker, from memory
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May 8 2004, 11:56 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
The Matrix rules are pretty easy once you get the hang of them, but for the first few adventures, just leave it. If you have a player who's interested in decking, get together with that person and have them make a decker, then go through the rules with them on a few practice runs until you get it down. And again, check out the Idiot's Guide to the Matrix thread here on the boards.
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May 8 2004, 05:20 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Actually, it's second edition, but very easy to run in a 3rd edition game. For the NPCs you just treat "Armed Combat" as the skill for any melee weapon, and "Firearms" as the skill for any firearm. I'll second the suggestion that Eye Witness is an enjoyable run. (Just remind the players before you start the adventure that not all encounters are solved by shooting. Some NPCs you talk to, some you run away from. Making the right decision can increase your character's lifespan.)
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May 9 2004, 05:07 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 12-January 04 Member No.: 5,974 |
In Shadowrun, combat equals trouble for most runs.
If you have problems with players not getting this, the best way I have found to get accross the idea of SR is "Think Thief, not D&D." |
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May 9 2004, 09:08 AM
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Oops. I ran it a while ago without even noticing that. |
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May 10 2004, 12:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 108 Joined: 10-May 04 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 6,315 |
I am also new to Shadowrun, though not to gaming. My friend ran me in a game when he visited recently, and I enjoyed it so much I'm trying to keep the character going via the wonderful world of the internet. This thread is very helpful, and I'm sure I'll have many questions as time goes by, so, hello!
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