IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> The Cost of Doing Business, Manufacturing Questions
2XS
post Sep 3 2015, 07:34 AM
Post #1


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 91
Joined: 26-August 15
Member No.: 197,056



How much do parts cost to manufacture an item? Doing this for hardware upgrades on a commlink, for example, is 50% of the cost of purchasing the item itself, while for chemicals the cost of ingredients is 10% of the cost of a dose of the compound to be made, and you can make more than one dose if you score enough hits. What if you want to build an entire vehicle, weapon, or even cyberware, using the Cybertechnology skill? How much do parts cost you then?

Also, how much might a newly produced item be sellable for? Standard rate for used stuff you "liberate" during a 'run is 30%, but what if you go all "Walter White" and produce your own drugs? Do you get full market value for those? What about selling a freshly-minted Panther Cannon (with no serial numbers!) or installing 'ware you put together yourself?

What skill(s) would you need to fabricate Bioware? Medicine seems most likely, maybe require a knowledge skill or something to go with it? How do you figure the cost for *that* stuff? I imagine amino acids and proteins would be pretty cheap, maybe fall under the cheaper umbrella of "chemicals" compared to the precision-manufactured and ESD sensitive components of a commlink Response upgrade, but I don't see anything that could provide a guideline for something like this.

And finally: how much would it cost me to manufacture the parts themselves? As an example: building a vehicle would require that you buy the parts and assemble them to produce the vehicle. Among those parts is a fuel injector. How much might a character save by producing the fuel injector, either from sub-assemblies or by fabricating the pieces from stocks of appropriate material, machined or otherwise processed with the correct tools?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Tias
post Sep 3 2015, 08:27 AM
Post #2


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 252
Joined: 30-October 09
From: Shadows of Copenhagen
Member No.: 17,824



QUOTE (2XS @ Sep 3 2015, 09:34 AM) *
How much do parts cost to manufacture an item? Doing this for hardware upgrades on a commlink, for example, is 50% of the cost of purchasing the item itself, while for chemicals the cost of ingredients is 10% of the cost of a dose of the compound to be made, and you can make more than one dose if you score enough hits. What if you want to build an entire vehicle, weapon, or even cyberware, using the Cybertechnology skill? How much do parts cost you then?


Assume a percentage of the sales price, and just roll with that.

QUOTE
What skill(s) would you need to fabricate Bioware? Medicine seems most likely, maybe require a knowledge skill or something to go with it? How do you figure the cost for *that* stuff? I imagine amino acids and proteins would be pretty cheap, maybe fall under the cheaper umbrella of "chemicals" compared to the precision-manufactured and ESD sensitive components of a commlink Response upgrade, but I don't see anything that could provide a guideline for something like this.


Medicine, Bioware specialty. Augmentation does mention that you need proper equipment and training, cautioning that a "gutterpunk in a DIY bioware shop" could do "untold damage" to the end user. I'd argue that you at least need to buy a Bioware-specialized Shop or Facility.

QUOTE
And finally: how much would it cost me to manufacture the parts themselves? As an example: building a vehicle would require that you buy the parts and assemble them to produce the vehicle. Among those parts is a fuel injector. How much might a character save by producing the fuel injector, either from sub-assemblies or by fabricating the pieces from stocks of appropriate material, machined or otherwise processed with the correct tools?


The beauty of being a crimina entrepreneur, is that you decide how much your working hours are worth, and try to make that.

Again, you'd need a machining shop and fuel, which might mean that you're not saving money, because chop shops or black automotive facilities have the expensive equipment needed to churn out injectors on the cheap.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Neraph
post Sep 3 2015, 09:37 PM
Post #3


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,542
Joined: 30-September 08
From: D/FW Megaplex
Member No.: 16,387



SR4A, page 138, Using Technical Skills to Build or Repair. Give it a once-over.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
2XS
post Sep 4 2015, 12:00 AM
Post #4


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 91
Joined: 26-August 15
Member No.: 197,056



Still don't have SR4a (just SR4) but Using Technical Skills to Build or Repair in SR4 gives (vague) guidelines for thresholds and intervals but doesn't cover cost of parts. The only place it's mentioned (that I've found) in SR4 is page 240 under Building Your Own Hardware, regarding upgrading Response and signal, and states parts costs are always 50% of the cost of buying the Hardware upgrade. What's SR4a say about it? Flat percentage? Maybe a table factoring in availability, threshold, and/or interval?

This would be some good crap for my Gearhead I've been working on. It could also help save (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) when upgrading my Street Samurai, if my son's TM can build some of the stuff I need.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
KnightAries
post Sep 4 2015, 09:02 PM
Post #5


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 243
Joined: 15-July 12
From: Everywhere that's in the middle of nowhere.
Member No.: 53,043



USING TECHNICAL SKILLS TO BUILD OR REPAIR
Using a skill to build or repair something is an Extended Test with a
threshold and interval based on the type of item being manufactured
or fixed, as noted on the Build/Repair Table. Apply any appropriate
modifiers from the table as well.
Note that “build” means putting together a new item/device from
scratch, assuming that the component parts are on hand. Technical
skills do not allow a character to create a new item/device from concept
alone—that requires something along the lines of an engineering
background and lots of collaborative effort.
SR4A Pg 138
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
2XS
post Sep 4 2015, 09:33 PM
Post #6


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 91
Joined: 26-August 15
Member No.: 197,056



Okay, so still nothing about the cost of parts, dammit. I think I'm going to have to house-rule this one.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Neraph
post Sep 4 2015, 10:57 PM
Post #7


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,542
Joined: 30-September 08
From: D/FW Megaplex
Member No.: 16,387



I've never had it come up except for as a plot device. I'd rule between 10% and 50% of the total cost of the item, depending on complexity, further modified by availability tables. Or do a mix of that and plot-driven item acquisition - like you can build most of that, but for this component you'll need to go knock over X scrap yard, or steal the schematics for it a-la data steal.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
KnightAries
post Sep 4 2015, 11:17 PM
Post #8


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 243
Joined: 15-July 12
From: Everywhere that's in the middle of nowhere.
Member No.: 53,043



I remember there was a desktop manufacturing equipment that you had to have "purchase" stock for.
All you needed was a schematic and it could print it

Sadly I can't remember the book.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Neraph
post Sep 5 2015, 02:04 AM
Post #9


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,542
Joined: 30-September 08
From: D/FW Megaplex
Member No.: 16,387



Augmentation, page 115. Nanofaxes.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 29th May 2024 - 08:23 AM

Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.