Shadowrun 6, What needs to be changed? Options

[binarywraith]

Most of those dependencies are also unnecessary. Shadowrun combat has far more moving parts than it needs to.

Sometimes those are what the players are looking for, and more power to them, but they're not necessary for what the game's trying to do. I've just as often run it as cinematic combat where the target numbers are entirely eyeballed to keep the game moving at a fast clip and it works as well, if not better, than meticulous calculation.

[Bertramn]

Agreed.

They should be there as a guideline though, imho, so the GM knows how to estimate them.

That said, the current Edition has 50 pages on Combat. That is completely ridiculous.
Make it 10 and we can talk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[binarywraith]

Agreed.

They should be there as a guideline though, imho, so the GM knows how to estimate them.

That said, the current Edition has 50 pages on Combat. That is completely ridiculous.
Make it 10 and we can talk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I note that 50 pages is five times as long as the entire base rules for Warhammer 40k in the current edition.

[KCKitsune]

I note that 50 pages is five times as long as the entire base rules for Warhammer 40k in the current edition.

There's rules (Grimdark) made by fan that thought Games Workshop was screwing things up (and they are in some ways). All the base rules fit on ONE page. The special rules for units fits on another page or two... If someone can refine the rules for 40K to 2 or 3 pages, then Shadowrun can be refined down to 5 or 6 pages.

[sk8bcn]

The main things the Matrix needs in the next edition imho:
1. A ruleset that is as simple as any other ruleset within the book, if not more so. It should be as simple as possible, with it still offering tactical decisions.
In addition the rules descriptions should be clear and succinct. -> This is where the last three editions have failed.

2. A consistent description of what is happening and how it roughly works, from a fluff standpoint.
People need to have an idea what they are doing, what they CAN do, and what they CANNOT do, because the Matrix has no real-world equivalent.
Even the astral realm is easier to comprehend than is the digital. This is a problem.
[Also, if you know what people CAN do, you have a reference point for when something happens that is, by common wisdom, impossible.
Example: Steve does not know that people stay dead once they are killed. The GM lets a character that Steve's character killed three sessions ago appear again. Steve plays his character as if nothing out of the ordinary is happening. -> Spot the problem!]

3. Pointers for the GM on how to handle the Matrix, which answer the following questions:
->a: Should you discourage a player from playing a decker who has no other skillset? Should you encourage "multiclassing" into a Decker-Magician, Decker-Sam, Decker-Infiltator, etc.?
->b: When does it make sense to cut down on the level of detail of a matrix action? (Connecting to a workstation and hacking a door control should not take half an hour in real-time, for example.)
->c: How does the game change if there is/are no/1/50%/100% decker/s in the group?

4: Cut Technomancers from the core rulebook, this is what an advanced rulebook is for! They take up a lot of pages and make about as much sense as including Nosferatus and Nartaki as options in the core book, judging by their per capita prevalence in the population.

5: Make the first part of the chapter so that it details to every player how a non-decker experiences and uses the Matrix, including how to do data searches, how online-communication roughly works, where tracking is an issue, and why simsense is the best thing since the invention of the wheel.
This is a vital part of life for anyone, unlike Magic. It should not be a niche chapter to read.
To be honest, the same should be done to the Magic chapter, starting out with the way everyone experiences Magic (through the trids), and going more in-depth after that.
New players should not have to slog through 20-40 pages to filter out the fluff they need to read so that they can play their character as a layman on something.

So much this !

[Koekepan]

The whole "Bandwidth for VR" thing is why I say you can't hack at full effectiveness when using wireless. Heck, you can say that you can't hack in VR AT ALL when done over a wireless connection. I've said it before Wireless hacking should be at best Rating 3 for the Deck/Commlink, and has to be done in AR.

As for the whole "Echo Mirage has tech that made other tech obsolete", I just figure they had the world's first quantum computer. It's purported that a Quantum Computer can do brute force cracking of password in a fraction of the time a regular computer can do it. I'm taking on the manner of a billion times faster. I don't have a link so take what I say with as much or as little salt as required.

That's not what quantum computing does. It doesn't let you submit login requests any faster than the host would accept anyway.

What it actually does would help to decode certain kinds of encrypted data more quickly, so if you have an encrypted password list on hand, it might help with that - but just slamming a password-mediated login interface with "password" then "Password" then "p@ssw0rd" and so on won't happen any faster because of Magic Quantum Sauce.

[apple]

1) Make Cyberware cool again. SR5 brought us "Cyber = Aids" and a literal shitbag as new cyberware, so that is perhaps not the best way to make cyberware cool and desirable. Less half a page of rules to jup 2 meters with your cbyerlegs, but a simply Cyberpunk 2020 statement: "You have 2 cyberlegs? Awesome, you can now jump 10m high and 15m forward. Add 5min with a running start". That is how you make cyberware cool and desirable, not with "congratulations, you sacrificed two years of income, half of your essence, the entire capacity of your cyberlegs and now you got 6 bonus dices, and if you are really lucky you can now jump 2m longer".

2) No authors, devs and freelancers with a love for Auschwitz Dungeon Crawl runs to steal necromantic scalpels from those dirty jewish zombie ghosts, which you just took down with your sponsored Orichalkum chainsaw. All in all a different company with different authors, devs and freelancers.

3) No Wifi-silencers, thank you very much. More Wifi in the sense of Ecplipse Phase or http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...095&hl=mage

4) Less class-restrictions, more options to mix and match archetypes. One of the greatest points of SR was that you did not had a class system. You can and you should be able to match specialists with generalists, with a rule system supporting these choices.

SYL

[KCKitsune]

That's not what quantum computing does. It doesn't let you submit login requests any faster than the host would accept anyway.

What it actually does would help to decode certain kinds of encrypted data more quickly, so if you have an encrypted password list on hand, it might help with that - but just slamming a password-mediated login interface with "password" then "Password" then "p@ssw0rd" and so on won't happen any faster because of Magic Quantum Sauce.

That's the reason I said purported. I'm not anywhere near enough of a computer expert to know how it would work.

[Cabral]

The first time I read about Echo Mirage (and I had to look it up again when you mentioned it because my mind has erased it, because I'm such a fanboy I ignore the stupidity in this game), it was in SR3's BBB, and honestly, this just looked stupid and I couldn't care less. it was the early 2000s, everyone loved the first Matrix movie, and despite all that I facepalmed myself when I read that about the Echo Mirage team.

You didn't claim otherwise, but Echo Mirage predates the Matrix movie and the Matrix movie was in fact inspired by a short story in Virtual Realities for first edition. So, the Matrix was derived from Shadowrun, not the other way around. The Wachowskis ran into creative differences with FASA and wound up changing enough for FASA to allow them to proceed. I would have liked to have seen their original version.

I was skimming the thread because I was planning on restarting some houseruling for 5e.

In a new edition, I would like to see techomancers and Deckers to be streamlined. In both cases, they should have time consuming activities to find vulnerabilities and set up exploits. In combat, they take advantage of a prepared exploit. Otherwise, they should be restricted to TactNet management and ECM/ECCM activities and normal combat activities.

Techomancers should be treated less like non magic techomages and more like deckers empowered by AIs. I see the resonance as a Jungian AI subconscious permeating the matrix and techomancers as modified to have internal abilities and abilities to affect the matrix when connected to a server. Without a device being connected to a network that includes a server, the techomancer can't affect it with resonance abilities.

Wireless needs to be removed as a vulnerability. Encryption makes wireless secure and wireless bonuses are decent in theory, but they need to be revisted for sensibility. A stun baton recharges in the presence of wireless while the survival knife gives the bonus with access to GPS signals or matrix connections. Bricking via exploit is fine is fine if rare, but should be fixable.

Mystic adepts need to go back to independent progression for magician versus adept and should be moved out of the core book. Perhaps a unified maximum magic, but an increased initiation cost, and perhaps +1 per point of magic cost for the higher of the two and normal cost -x per point for the lower of the two. As compensation, raising adept magic grants a power point (so that the two aspects of the Mystic Adept follow the same rules as normal magicians and adepts (at least during the game session; keep rules deviations to downtime).

[binarywraith]

Technomancers as a Shadowrun concept need to die a death.

One of the most basic setting precepts is that magic and tech do not mix, and are in fact fundamentally incompatible. Technomancy essentially creates a fourth magical tradition, because it is impossible to explain within the setting outside of 'fuck it, AI are magic'.

The Decking toolset is essentially good for three things:

1. Downtime/prep work for runs. Deckers can do the necessary groundwork without having the drawbacks of doing it physically, such as being spotted casing a place, or drawing attention asking around about someone.
2. Being an alternative to using electronic sabotage / B&E skills on a run.
3. Dealing with specific edge cases the GM adds, such as data on a secure system only accessible physically.

If a Decker gets into combat, she needs to pull a fucking gun, dive for cover, or both at the same time. This is one of the reasons that, IMHO, decking needs to be reduced in both skill point and nuyen investment so that it isn't such a huge sink for a skill that isn't universally applicable the way the magical active skills are.

[Cabral]

Technomancers as a Shadowrun concept need to die a death.

One of the most basic setting precepts is that magic and tech do not mix, and are in fact fundamentally incompatible. Technomancy essentially creates a fourth magical tradition, because it is impossible to explain within the setting outside of 'fuck it, AI are magic'.

I disagree. The problem with technomancers is that they are handled as magic-but-not-magic. I don't think this was an issue with otaku (from 2e/3e), but an otaku did not have an innate matrix connection and could not force someone online.

If you constrain technomancers to abilities that are internal to themselves and abilities related to online connections ("internal" to the matrix), the technomancers are magic problems go away or are at least resolvable.

AIs are, in my opinion, less of an issue. However, they may require a different explanation of the matrix and SR computing. Instead of thinking that computers are logic boxes that execute code and do nothing that they are not told to do, consider that with the level of abstraction higher level of programming languages provide and patches across multiple layers of the software (BIOS, OS, application, at minimum), there is a degree of chaos. It is conceivable that in the SR world, with further abstractions and increased computing power (and perhaps a switch to quantum computing), the is a sufficient level of chaos that there can be separate computational ecosystem under the higher level code where the Deep Resonance and AIs dwell or draw their unique abilities.

[Bertramn]

Somehow Technomancers have devalued AIs.
Before, an AI was a Dragon. There were few, but they were alien and mighty.

Now AI and their analogues are many small things, from the matrix spirits that mancers use, to the AI that sprung from a dating sim or something in one of the adventure seeds in the Emergence book.

Ironically, giving the Matrix a more magical vibe has made it more mundane.

[binarywraith]

I disagree. The problem with technomancers is that they are handled as magic-but-not-magic. I don't think this was an issue with otaku (from 2e/3e), but an otaku did not have an innate matrix connection and could not force someone online.

If you constrain technomancers to abilities that are internal to themselves and abilities related to online connections ("internal" to the matrix), the technomancers are magic problems go away or are at least resolvable.

AIs are, in my opinion, less of an issue. However, they may require a different explanation of the matrix and SR computing. Instead of thinking that computers are logic boxes that execute code and do nothing that they are not told to do, consider that with the level of abstraction higher level of programming languages provide and patches across multiple layers of the software (BIOS, OS, application, at minimum), there is a degree of chaos. It is conceivable that in the SR world, with further abstractions and increased computing power (and perhaps a switch to quantum computing), the is a sufficient level of chaos that there can be separate computational ecosystem under the higher level code where the Deep Resonance and AIs dwell or draw their unique abilities.

It wasn't an issue with otaku, because otaku were Deckers who paid karma for their decks instead of nuyen. Full stop.

There is no such thing as 'chaos' in computer systems, just bad interactions between written code. A 'separate computational ecosystem' still needs to be running on hardware, full stop, and something with sufficient power to simulate consciousness much less an ecosystem that can support several of them is going to eat a lot of computational power. That means a lot of real-world electrical power, and a lot of very visible 'hey, what's eating these system resources' questions from the people paying seven digit monthly datacenter power bills to run that hardware.

Your whole premise essentially relies on every system in the Matrix being functionally part of a cloud computing instance, and if something like a rogue AI can leech storage and processor cycles from everything on the Matrix at will, no network security is even remotely possible, because the system itself is designed to have root level hardware access to every device on it.

[Lionesque]

A 'separate computational ecosystem' still needs to ...

It was the word 'needs' that got my attention. In the real world, you are very likely correct. The topic of this conversation is not the real world, but what we'd enjoy seeing in the shared fantasy that we spend our valuable free time exploring, and while I completely agree with you it can be annoying when someone makes erroneous claims about how a segment of reality works, that discussion is, IMHO, the root cause of the rot at the core of the Shadowrun ruleset, and has been from the very beginning.

It may be possible to come up with a set of rules that can encompass a world with magic and a matrix, while also being true to common sense and real-world laws of physics, but I have severe doubts as to whether that game would be much fun to play.

So my advice to the publishers of the next edition would be: Stop trying to emulate reality. If that was what we wanted, we'd all be playing Flight Simulator XVII on quantum computers (see what I did there?). Go for simplicity, always follow the rule of cool - and bring back the punk, pretty please!

And keep the whole thing down to less than 100 pages. Unless you bring back the user comments from 1st-3rd edition, of course (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)

[Cabral]

It wasn't an issue with otaku, because otaku were Deckers who paid karma for their decks instead of nuyen. Full stop.

I seem to recall that their submersion abilities, threading and daemon summoning exceeded 'decking without decks'....

There is no such thing as 'chaos' in computer systems, just bad interactions between written code.

...which results in chaos within computer systems. I'm glad we can agree.

A 'separate computational ecosystem' still needs to be running on hardware, full stop, and something with sufficient power to simulate consciousness much less an ecosystem that can support several of them is going to eat a lot of computational power. That means a lot of real-world electrical power, and a lot of very visible 'hey, what's eating these system resources' questions from the people paying seven digit monthly datacenter power bills to run that hardware.

Think of the Deep Resonance as a transcended VM management protocol that has been patched and patched to the point that no one really knows how it works internally, but they understand the API. They approach issues with redundant checks and garbage collection. They solve perceived inefficiencies with the attitude of "this is 20X0, storage and processing power is cheap and it would be too costly to debug and optimize that."

Now, the VM itself behaves fine, the data center has tons of resources, and it may be obfuscated that it has sanctioned 1,000 VM instances, but it is using resources for 1,050. The underlying VM management reports proper behavior through the API and for the most part, it is working fine.

Your whole premise essentially relies on every system in the Matrix being functionally part of a cloud computing instance, and if something like a rogue AI can leech storage and processor cycles from everything on the Matrix at will, no network security is even remotely possible, because the system itself is designed to have root level hardware access to every device on it.

Yes, I am modelling every server as a cloud instance and I am accepting the inability to to cut a server off from the deep resonance and otaku/technomancers who are directly connected to the server as an acceptable logic flaw in the abstraction.

In exchange for that flaw, AIs and technomancers are reasonably explained and do not lose their ability to function when connected to an isolated system.

However, the fact that technomancers and AIs can leach resources from the underlying hardware does not guarantee that they can access or manipulate any of the data. They still must connect with a VM instance (matrix node) to interact with it.

[binarywraith]

I seem to recall that their submersion abilities, threading and daemon summoning exceeded 'decking without decks'....


...which results in chaos within computer systems. I'm glad we can agree.

Chaos as parsed by a device reading machine code. Hell of a difference between 'huh, that lets me write to protected sectors on the disk and crash the whole system, probably should have had a sanity check in there' and 'whoops, AIM and Notepad had filthy sex in the back room and made the IRC protocol'.

Your entire concept of the Matrix relies on the Corps who have rebuilt it three times being willing to give away vast amounts of processing power and any concept of security, both of which are massively expensive. Not to mention reducing the science of software engineering to livestock breeding. It is about as good as a mini-sub escape from Bogota, and just as unnecessary for the setting.

[Koekepan]

Chaos as parsed by a device reading machine code. Hell of a difference between 'huh, that lets me write to protected sectors on the disk and crash the whole system, probably should have had a sanity check in there' and 'whoops, AIM and Notepad had filthy sex in the back room and made the IRC protocol'.

Your entire concept of the Matrix relies on the Corps who have rebuilt it three times being willing to give away vast amounts of processing power and any concept of security, both of which are massively expensive. Not to mention reducing the science of software engineering to livestock breeding. It is about as good as a mini-sub escape from Bogota, and just as unnecessary for the setting.

Amen!

And it's precisely because of this that (though life interfered to distract me) I'm dusting off my SRV concept and getting back to it.

[Xasten]

Technomancers as a Shadowrun concept need to die a death.

One of the most basic setting precepts is that magic and tech do not mix, and are in fact fundamentally incompatible. Technomancy essentially creates a fourth magical tradition, because it is impossible to explain within the setting outside of 'fuck it, AI are magic'.

The Decking toolset is essentially good for three things:

1. Downtime/prep work for runs. Deckers can do the necessary groundwork without having the drawbacks of doing it physically, such as being spotted casing a place, or drawing attention asking around about someone.
2. Being an alternative to using electronic sabotage / B&E skills on a run.
3. Dealing with specific edge cases the GM adds, such as data on a secure system only accessible physically.

If a Decker gets into combat, she needs to pull a fucking gun, dive for cover, or both at the same time. This is one of the reasons that, IMHO, decking needs to be reduced in both skill point and nuyen investment so that it isn't such a huge sink for a skill that isn't universally applicable the way the magical active skills are.

I completely agree with your three points, and the one after that about combat, but I stop short that technomancers need to die as a concept.

I think technomancers are very problematic in their portrayal and justifications, but the root idea is a cool one. Disclaimer: I run a heavily modified 2E game, so I'm not entirely up to snuff on 4E+ rules and fluff.

I think the writers should simply man up and say "it's a new form of magic." plain and simple. Harlequin is on record saying that eventually magic and tech will merge, and I think technomancy is a cool first look at that mix. They don't mix NOW, but the possibilities are endless. Hell, just go read the 2E adventure Imago (which I love). Shadowrun uses panpsychism (the idea that everything has a soul / that belief can shape reality) as its magical base, and a modern society will have a lot of belief (hence mana) flowing around the general idea of technology. Just like the newer gods in Gaiman's American Gods.

Is it unthinkable that perhaps a new kind of adept would surface? I'm actually using that as one of the big threads in the campaign I'm running right now. There's a lot of unknowns swirling around her, she assenses as mundane, and has no visible powers, but get her in the Matrix and weird stuff happens.

It's an idea that was great in its initial concept, so-so in its execution, and poor in its subsequent development.

[JanessaVR]

I think the writers should simply man up and say "it's a new form of magic." plain and simple.

That's basically what we've done at our table. Technomancers are "Type 2" (so to speak) magicians, and the Resonance Realms are explicitly metaplanes.

[binarywraith]

I completely agree with your three points, and the one after that about combat, but I stop short that technomancers need to die as a concept.

I think technomancers are very problematic in their portrayal and justifications, but the root idea is a cool one. Disclaimer: I run a heavily modified 2E game, so I'm not entirely up to snuff on 4E+ rules and fluff.

I think the writers should simply man up and say "it's a new form of magic." plain and simple. Harlequin is on record saying that eventually magic and tech will merge, and I think technomancy is a cool first look at that mix. They don't mix NOW, but the possibilities are endless. Hell, just go read the 2E adventure Imago (which I love). Shadowrun uses panpsychism (the idea that everything has a soul / that belief can shape reality) as its magical base, and a modern society will have a lot of belief (hence mana) flowing around the general idea of technology. Just like the newer gods in Gaiman's American Gods.

Is it unthinkable that perhaps a new kind of adept would surface? I'm actually using that as one of the big threads in the campaign I'm running right now. There's a lot of unknowns swirling around her, she assenses as mundane, and has no visible powers, but get her in the Matrix and weird stuff happens.

It's an idea that was great in its initial concept, so-so in its execution, and poor in its subsequent development.

I'm fine with 'Technomancers are just magic' on every level except one. The Matrix is not a magical realm, and in point of fact is not one that should ever be able to be messed with by magic due to, again, the basic setting premise that magic is not compatible with technology. The whole existence of how Essence works, and why illusions -don't- work on cameras, you dig?

If we're tossing that out, then cool, because it gives Sams a lot more room to get really viciously nasty, but we need to be explicit in tossing it out when talking about how to rewrite this.

Of course I'm sure that PhysAds will still be better at it than Sams, given that opens up fun like weapon focus cyberarms. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Cabral]

Chaos as parsed by a device reading machine code. Hell of a difference between 'huh, that lets me write to protected sectors on the disk and crash the whole system, probably should have had a sanity check in there' and 'whoops, AIM and Notepad had filthy sex in the back room and made the IRC protocol'.

Nonsense. What I am talking about is more like "we seem to have a memory leak, but I can't find where it is; I guess I'll make the garbage collector more aggressive and that should handle it before it impacts performance. Or, this creates a record in 9 out of 10 times, so I will create a job to make sure it is created." I would like to say that it is always possible to track down a flaw to the source and correct it, but due to a number of constraints, not the least of which is the business drive on time and value added. If an issue is causing a critical issue for someone now, you will be more likely to be forced to patch and move on. Hopefully, a root cause fix follows, but not always.

Your entire concept of the Matrix relies on the Corps who have rebuilt it three times being willing to give away vast amounts of processing power and any concept of security, both of which are massively expensive. Not to mention reducing the science of software engineering to livestock breeding. It is about as good as a mini-sub escape from Bogota, and just as unnecessary for the setting.

I don't care what they rebuilt, they reused code and in the virtual machine analogy I provided, the resource leak/loss is disconnected from the end user. Your processing concerns depend on processing power being expensive when that is not a given. We have gone from storage space is expensive to cheap (but not liimitless) today and to limitless in SR. There is no reason to believe that processing power is not at least cheap. The data center may indeed solve inefficiency by adding more servers.

Cloud computing today relies on virtual machines and they don't have issues with one virtual machine having magical full access to another. Your security concerns are not valid.

Multiple OS updates can cause your computer to become inefficient.
If I recall correctly, at one point, 75% to 90% of all Word macro viruses were legitimate macros that morphed over time into viruses because of the way Word resaved macros.
I am sure there are other instances of spontaneously created malware.

These are current and past, real world parallels to AIs spawning from legitimate applications. You should be aware of them before you start mocking biological comparisons.

In order to model AIs and technomancers not being able to teleport across the Matrix, the Virtual Machine pockets/fragments must emulate a core computer (a deck in the technomancer's case) from which the AI or technomancer runs their matrix persona and draws their enhanced abilities.

[binarywraith]

Nonsense. What I am talking about is more like "we seem to have a memory leak, but I can't find where it is; I guess I'll make the garbage collector more aggressive and that should handle it before it impacts performance. Or, this creates a record in 9 out of 10 times, so I will create a job to make sure it is created." I would like to say that it is always possible to track down a flaw to the source and correct it, but due to a number of constraints, not the least of which is the business drive on time and value added. If an issue is causing a critical issue for someone now, you will be more likely to be forced to patch and move on. Hopefully, a root cause fix follows, but not always.

I don't care what they rebuilt, they reused code and in the virtual machine analogy I provided, the resource leak/loss is disconnected from the end user. Your processing concerns depend on processing power being expensive when that is not a given. We have gone from storage space is expensive to cheap (but not liimitless) today and to limitless in SR. There is no reason to believe that processing power is not at least cheap. The data center may indeed solve inefficiency by adding more servers.

Cloud computing today relies on virtual machines and they don't have issues with one virtual machine having magical full access to another. Your security concerns are not valid.

Multiple OS updates can cause your computer to become inefficient.
If I recall correctly, at one point, 75% to 90% of all Word macro viruses were legitimate macros that morphed over time into viruses because of the way Word resaved macros.
I am sure there are other instances of spontaneously created malware.

These are current and past, real world parallels to AIs spawning from legitimate applications. You should be aware of them before you start mocking biological comparisons.

In order to model AIs and technomancers not being able to teleport across the Matrix, the Virtual Machine pockets/fragments must emulate a core computer (a deck in the technomancer's case) from which the AI or technomancer runs their matrix persona and draws their enhanced abilities.

I'm making mocking biological comparisons because you clearly have no idea how computers work, on a fundamental level, which has led you to anthropomorphise the actions of programs.

[KCKitsune]

OK Cabral, Binary, please step it down a notch. There is no need to insult one another.

[Cabral]

I'm making mocking biological comparisons because you clearly have no idea how computers work, on a fundamental level, which has led you to anthropomorphise the actions of programs.

I have worked in assembly as well as high level languages. I have argued repeatedly with business to get resources for root cause fixes instead of patches only. There have been cases where I knew the fix, but couldn't get approval for the QAT aspect. I have been overruled on the readiness of a release.

Your understanding of computers, fundamentally and in practice, and my grasp of computers are both overinflated.

Your lack of understanding of my proposed model has led you to inject anthropomorphization that was not present. If you need such a construct, I won't fault or mock you, but please don't then belittle biological sciences.

[Cabral]

OK Cabral, Binary, please step it down a notch. There is no need to insult one another.

I started posting before this post, but I do not believe that I have insulted anyone. If I have, I apologize and would gladly reword. I know occasionally I can get a case of "there's someone wrong on the internet."

In any case, this is my model of what the matrix should be and I will only go so far to explain it. I have no intention of continuing discussions with Binary on this topic as we are not making any progress. However, if anyone, binary included, is interested in how I foresee this affecting the mechanical implementation, I would be happy to oblige.