[OOC] Panzerknacker Options

[Jack_Spade]

Thanks, boys!

The Steyr TMP and the Ares Sigma-3 both have a too low Accuracy, I find.
I guess, I'll go with the Suppressor.
So, I'll basically need an internal smartlink system (+700y) and gas vent system lvl 3 (600) and I'm good, right?

Something else:
We have received some nice stuff we could keep (e.g. the armor). Has anyone noted what this is? When we received the equipment, I thought we had to give it back after the run and didn't write it down. Was there anything else beside the armor? Also, does anyone have the stats?

You should know that you can use Sensor Targeting which makes the original accuracy of the weapon pretty much irrelevant - especially since your Rigger Control (+2) and Smartsoft (+2) already increase your ACC.
And even if not, you can use electronic firing, trigger removal, long barrel, so ACC is the least of your worries. The Suppressor is not an SMG but an Automatic Pistol with less damage ( 1 point DV is worth on average 3 points of AP). Also realize that reloading is a bitch to do on a weapon mount in combat. Even with an extended mag you'll face difficulties to shoot for more than one encounter. Add to that that drum weapons can be enhanced with ammo select, allowing you to switch to which ever ammo you need without reloading and you'll understand why I recommend the SIGMA.

[SquirrelDude]

Original Ask was for for a machine pistol, not an SMG

I want to buy a new MP, but I'm not yet sure.

That said, why are we arming an "expensive drone" with a machine pistol? Should I regret that we sold that Ruhrmetal SF-20?

[Volker]

1) Funny. I was just about to post my questions regarding the Black Rover with Ruhrmetal. We never got any money for it, so I wanted to ask whether or not we sold it (and get some money for it) or if Schmidt somehow shipped that thing to the ADL?

2) What about my MCT-Nissan Motodrone? Can i bring that one? Also the Noizquitos, but they really should not prove a problem.

3) @SquirrelDude: We are not arming anything. bnc is. It's more of a personal thing than an efficiancy thing. But you'll see.

4) Keeping the Ruhrmetal SF-20 would still not be a bad idea. Even if we can't keep the rover it's mounted to, we will be able to afford a new drone to attach it to. I musst admit, though, that bnc spent her entire money on bulldrek she finds wiz (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

5) Is it okay if I just write "super-wizzed up body armor" in my sheet?

[Jack_Spade]

The Rover with the Ruhrmetal is still in your garage at your hideout.

All your personal (semi-legal) equipment has to be send through smugglers to your new adresses - provided you want to haul all that stuff with you to Europe and don't plan to come back again.
(That's a job that Slobber or Kazuya can do for you)

As mentioned before: This armor was part of the heist and Mike recommended you get rid of it, least you get connected to it somehow.
If you ignore his well meaning advice, you can have it.

Full Body Armor w/ Chemical Seal
+ Gel Pads
+ Non-Conductivity 6
+ Thermal Dampening 6
+ Fire Resistance 6
Helmet
+ Low Light Vision
+ IR-Vision
+ Flash Compensation
+ Trodes
+ Micro Transceiver
+ Vision Magnification


And one more word on SMGs and MPs

Instead of the Surpressor, I'd recommend the Savalette Guardian Heavy Pistol. It has one more DV, and basic RC. Also it has BF capability, so is actually superior to the Remington (since both don't have an integrated silencer)

[Gilga]

Thanks! I'll take the Guardian for Yael to enjoy BF with pistols skills. (did not know it was a thing).

[SquirrelDude]

Instead of the Surpressor, I'd recommend the Savalette Guardian Heavy Pistol. It has one more DV, and basic RC. Also it has BF capability, so is actually superior to the Remington (since both don't have an integrated silencer)

Oh right there was errata on that so that the Burst Fire functionality wasn't a lie.

Also, looking at Anna's new street cred (LOL btw), how do we accomplish the impromptu new campaign goal of actually making Yael exceed her social limit on a skill check?

[Gilga]

Oh now I am really really confused about that gun. Semi-automatic guns can already do 3 round burst as a complex action. (SB) The benefit of automatic weapons is the burst fire mode allowing it as a simple action. So now they introduce a gun with a burst fire mode and a special rule that says that using it is a complex action?

Does it give the gun any new ability? I am confused now.

[Jack_Spade]

Hey everyone, I was looking at some stuff for an up coming con and noticed the cerulean shadows stuff. I had a quick look around on the interwebs but I couldn't find anything about it.

I was hoping that someone could tell me a bit about it and if I would need a neo Tokyo style runner or a Chicago style runner for the games?

As mentioned, that has been errataed, it now works like a normal SA/BF weapon.

But even if the BF needed a complex action, you'd still be able to fire a 6 round burst, making this pretty decent.

[Gilga]

Well, nice! I did not know that. The problem is the 12 shots, but it'll be nice to have this kind of gun.

[Jack_Spade]

Easily remedied with an extended magazine and now also with the dual mag Mod from Street Lethal

[Luckace]

Oh wow, it seems there's a whole lot more you can do with guns than i would have thought (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Thanks for the info, I'll probably revisit Raph's pistol again (currently standard Ares Predator V with silencer).

[SquirrelDude]

TBH the granularity of firearm modification is one of my least favorite things about the game.

[Gilga]

Oh right there was errata on that so that the Burst Fire functionality wasn't a lie.

Also, looking at Anna's new street cred (LOL btw), how do we accomplish the impromptu new campaign goal of actually making Yael exceed her social limit on a skill check?

Chummer adds it up according to Karma spent. So this is what happens after spending almost 400 karma... I actually never played with steet cred, or I completely missed it until now.

Interesting enough we have too equally social characters in the group right now. So I anticipate plenty of teamwork.

[SquirrelDude]

Sharkboy is going to be tricky to work with for this first run.

Code of Honor (Luchador's Code: May never take off mask, Must keep kayfabe, Must always give a good show/appear larger than life)

The wikipedia article on kayfabe is linked, but I'll sum it up. If a wrestling promoter/promoters are asking for my character to be a rudo/heel/dickhead the character will need to be a dickhead both in and out of work. If they want him to be a tecnico/face then he's going to be a good person, not want to do ambushes, and be a bit naive (and use this as entrance music).

Jack, as GM/NPC controller has a role in deciding what Sharkboy's alignment will be and when he will turn face/heel. He has requested for the first run that he is a heel. It is very unlikely to change during this run.


I'll probably add this to the character sheet, actually.

[Gilga]

Seems exciting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Volker]

Sheesh, now I'm really leaving my turf. I don't know exactl what "granulated" means, but I think I know exactly how you feel. I have no clue what "long barrel" or "electronic firing" means nor can I find them in CRB, Gun H(e)aven or Run & Gun (I don't know or own Street Lethal).

So, uhm, would any one of you so kind as to just mod up a Savalette Guardian for a drone weapon mount and then tell me how much it is and roughly what it can do? I'm completely lost. Preferrably without any additional MP for the drone. That would be most awesome.

[Jack_Spade]

I can only recommend getting Hard Targets. It has some of the most usefull content for all kinds of runners.

I'll build one for you when I get home

[SquirrelDude]

Sheesh, now I'm really leaving my turf. I don't know exactl what "granulated" means, but I think I know exactly how you feel. I have no clue what "long barrel" or "electronic firing" means nor can I find them in CRB, Gun H(e)aven or Run & Gun (I don't know or own Street Lethal).

1. "Granularity", per the dictionary means "the scale or level of detail present in a set of data or other phenomenon." That's not too helpful. In context it means that the game is being overly detailed/technical in how it handles weapon attachments for very little gain in terms of enjoyment. Mind you, I"m someone who hates the D&D/Pathfinder weapon's table (Why are long swords and bastard swords not the same thing?!), so the fact that probably over 50% of shadowrun weapons are straight garbage is frustrating enough before you get into there being 100 weapon attachments for 5 slots. Some of those attachments have no right even being in the game.

To give an example: The fact that I need to separately buy slide rails for a 2600¥ assault rifle, when most semi-serious airsoft rifles come with them standard, is a fucking joke.

2. As Jack said, those things are from Hard Targets. Oh hey, what are these things that I found.

Electronic Firing - Pg 180: +1 Recoil compensation, -1 dice pool to locate where the weapon is being fired from. Requires caseless ammunition. Often combined with trigger removal
Trigger Removal - Pg 182: Requires Smartlink. +1 Accuracy. Not cumulative with other modifications other than Smartlink.
Long Barrel - Pg 181: Increase Accuracy by 1. Concealability Modifier +1

[Jack_Spade]

Modded Savalette

ACC 6 (8 )
DV 8P
AP –1
MODE SA/BF
RC 2(6)
AMMO 2x18©
AVAIL 6R
COST 3980¥

Smartlink
+ Vision Magnification 250¥
(barrel) Silencer (-4 to perceiving shot) 500¥
(side) Custom Look (+1 Intimidate, +1 to identify again) 300¥
(internal) Electronic Firing (+1 RC, -1 to perceiving shot) 1000¥
(Grip) Trigger Removal (+1 ACC) 50¥
(-) Additional Magazine Mod 870¥
Extended Magazine R2 2x (+2 conceal) 140¥

Small Weapon Mount is another 750¥ (at body 4 you get another 4 points of RC) and 2 MP
If you go for the hidden, reusable weapon mount it's 1050¥ and 3MP

In total you'll pay 5030¥ for a very silent burst fire weapon with enough ammo for 6 phases of continuous fire (although you won't be able to compensate that RC anymore)

[SquirrelDude]

Perfect. Slob has 21 Karma remaining. With GM's permission, I would like to spend 20 of that, and have Slob spend the next few months hiding out in Europe to remove the wanted negative quality.

@Jack Did I miss a response to this or can I get a response to this? Want to clear it with the GM before I buy off wanted on Slobbertooth with his remaining Karma.

[Jack_Spade]

Oh, sorry, yeah, go ahead

[Volker]

Cool, thanks for the gun! I'll buy it.

Should the weapon mount not be 300? "Pop-up mounts may be installed with a Shop, and they cost 100 nuyen x the increased MP of the weapon." (Rigger 5.0, p. 124)

The Rover 2072 is 68,000. At 40 % resale it would be 27,000. Divided by 5, that's still 5,440 nuyen each. I'd say, we sell the Rover and keep the Ruhrmetal for another drone/vehicle/whatever.

Is that okay for everyone? The MCT-Nissan rotodrone was bnc's anyway IIRC.

[SquirrelDude]

I'd recommend keeping a Rover unless it costs more to transport it across the ocean than it does to buy a new one in Europe. It's a good car.

[Volker]

But I need the money :-S

@Jack how much would it be to bring an illegal armed van from Seattle to Munich/Linz?

[SquirrelDude]

But I need the money :-S

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