 Quick Deck Construction Question, Duh, probably overlooking it... |
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 May 21 2004, 02:28 AM
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UMS O.G.  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335  |
Apparently I should quote more. When referring to the commonality of decks on the streets I was talking general public. Legal vs. Illegal. Mugging a decker can be suicidal as you pointed out.
The cost for a person to mount a rating 8 cellular link would be parts 6,240 :nuyen: + 32,000 :nuyen: for the program. Corporations could outfit cheaper of course but again, security security security. Hell, follow the wage slave to the internet cafe and put your dataline tap in there. I'm sure its a tad easier to break into Barnes & Noble than MCT. Lonestar has to have figured out that carrying a deck for most people is unlikely. All but one stock cyberdeck costs more than a car and the ultra low end is either on somebodies desk or outside on the way to the trash. Its like a RoadMaster. You see one across the street from your safehouse its time to whip out the gun because the chance of it not belonging to a shadowrunnner are slim. |
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May 21 2004, 09:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 345 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Leeds, UK Member No.: 4,046 |
Except that it's only the hardware that would cost 5x more. The Persona, MPCP and all utilities wouldn't be multiplied - not unless software takes up physical space. |
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May 21 2004, 11:50 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
If you call a keyboard "desktop sized," okay. (In 2050, "The seventh generation cyberdeck is introduced, now down to keyboard-size.") You'd think in ~fourteen years, cyberdecks would get smaller without much price increase.
In fact, looking at Matrix and Man & Machine, it seems cyberdecks have shrunk radically for only a 20% price increase on most components. Apparently, by about 2060, it's possible to fit a cyberdeck into a skull without displacing (too much) brain; protect that cyberdeck from the moist, humid, salty, corrosive metahuman body environment; protect the delicate metahuman body from unpleasant computer compounds; not use a large battery like a standard cyberdeck; etc. The price of most components of these ruggedized & ultra-miniaturized cyberdecks is "1.2x construction cost." Good deal. I figure if I can build a cranial cyberdeck for 20% more than a standard deck (plus surgery), I can build a PocketDeck for a similar price. |
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May 21 2004, 12:26 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Wasn't there a canon reference that if you wanted a piece of cyberware as an external, hand-held device the price was half? I'm not saying taht you should get a cyberdeck for half, but a 10% price increase over the standard deck would make it pocket sized.
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May 21 2004, 01:06 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Sounds good to me. Maybe in Rigger 3, the description of additions to mechanical arms? Or in the SR3 mainbook somewhere in the intro on cyberware? |
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May 21 2004, 01:11 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
Of course, if you want to stick a deck into a cyberlimb, it's got a x4 cost multiplier (in previous editions, it was pretty explicit about the higher cost for those, I think, not looking at Cybertechnology right now, so I can't be 100% sure).
Sure, they don't need to charge you that much of an increase, but they certainly like the profit margin on a low demand part. |
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May 21 2004, 01:23 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
My primarily goal for a PocketDeck is a MPCP 2-4 cyberterminal with a sticker price of about 10-20K, a source of side income for (of all people) a street samurai with some computer talent. I figure with enough chip burners and some small anthroform robots (pilot rating 1-2), I can start up a mini-factory for under 500K nuyen and churn out handheld cyberterminals, marketing them for corporate executives who like all the latest gadgets. I could mark them up quite a bit, but the goal is to make them numerous. And, of course, a higher-rating pocket cyberdeck is always possible for personal use. |
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May 21 2004, 01:38 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Add that to the already staggering abilities of the pocket secretary (primarily the cellular connection) and you've got a great stocking stuffer for your decker contact.
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May 24 2004, 12:17 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
If you wanted a really concealable deck, maybe you could just build a cranial deck and not implant it. Just put a case on it, carry it in your pocket and jack into it as normal.
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May 24 2004, 01:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
I think that's pretty much how I'm going to model the PocketDeck. Target: Matrix has rules on FUP variants like Wireless FUPs, right? |
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May 24 2004, 04:35 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
yea they have :)
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May 30 2004, 06:14 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
What page in Target:Matrix describes Wireless FUPs? |
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May 30 2004, 09:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 8-June 03 Member No.: 4,696 |
It's in Matrix, pg. 59. I don't believe Target: Matrix covers them.
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May 31 2004, 05:36 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Maybe I'm misreading Matrix, p59. What text do you see that mentions wireless FUPs? I see a FUPs entry specific to hard connections (slots). Perhaps a better question is, "What printing of Matrix do you have?" |
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May 31 2004, 05:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 8-June 03 Member No.: 4,696 |
Sorry, missed the word 'wireless' there. Wireless interfaces in general are covered on pg. 60.
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May 31 2004, 06:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Yes, I saw the wireless interfaces, but I was curious about Wireless FUPs. Where are they covered? They've been mentioned on Dumpshock Forums - are they home rules? |
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May 31 2004, 07:10 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
gah, i do belive that post changed after i read it. or i must have read it wrongly as i was answering to the fact that normal FUPs where coverd in the matrix book, i didnt see anything about wireless or target:matrix when i posted that i can recall :(
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May 31 2004, 07:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Nope, I didn't change the post that I recall. ;) |
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Jun 1 2004, 06:30 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
oh crap :(
sorry then for reading so totaly wrong... |
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Jun 1 2004, 09:56 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
NP. I always kinda meant to pick up a copy of Target:Matrix anyway. ;) |
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Jun 1 2004, 12:48 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
I keep meaning to check... but I think there's something on wireless peripherals in the SSG.
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Jun 1 2004, 02:04 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Er...SSG = Sprawl Survival Guide? |
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Jun 1 2004, 02:43 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
Yep. Toward the front of the rules section, I keep thinking there's something about wireless connections, but I might be wrong.
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Jun 1 2004, 09:48 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Per pg13 Sprawl Survival Guide, the common home telecom is referred to as a cyberterminal: "Your home's central cyberterminal listens to your appliances, your entertainment units and your work computer and does the hard work for you so that you don't even have to think about." |
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Jun 2 2004, 04:15 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
man i realy need to get my hands on that book :)
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