How do you calculate the legality of a cyberdeck?

pg56 of Matrix mentions legal cyberterminals have an MPCP rating 4 or less, while cyberdecks have a higher MPCP rating and/or masking & evasion attributes. Is there anything else?

pg303 of SR3 mentions a flat 4P-S for all cyberdecks. Is that it?

The things that make the deck illegal are as follows:

MPCP 5 or higher
Any Deck with Evasion
Any Deck with Masking
*Source Matrix p56

mpcp 5+ is licencable i think...
evasion is allso licencable to any security decker or similar...
masking on the other hand is there to override the very security of the matrix so well its most likely military and goverment only at best...

Yes, but does the legality code vary other than "legal" or "4P-S"?

dont think so...
infact i wonder why the to spot is 4 as that kinda low for something that is connected to chips inside a caseing (that is unless you see someone with a term on the street and ask him for permit that is)...

That's the TN to decide to do something about it once it's been identified, however that processes happens to occur.

~J

I got the impression from (earlier edition) fluff that anyone carrying round a cyberdeck was likely to get questioned - there aren't enough legitimate reasons or users of mobile terminals to not do that. Anyone with valid access to systems would be quite happy to leave a datatrail by using valid terminals wherever they happened to be (home/work/beach) and wouldn't need to carry one around with them...

Hence the use of C^2 and (before that) resource carriers.

Possibly - I think the important think is the ASIST inferface. What makes a cyberterminal different from a computer (since computing power is measured purely in MP I make no distinction between portable or not, other than desktop PCs can have greater potential power)?

It's even more odd when you look at rules for tortoises. If that's just a deck without the ASIST doesn't that just make it a computer..?

I personally find it rather odd that whilst we're seeing convergence of devices in 2004 that in 205x onwards they've reverted to having specialised devices for various tasks (but then most of the electronic devices in SR are rubbish anyway).
Surely if CorpAccountant uses a cyberterminal at work that would become his standard tool - it's either portable, or fixed (in which case he's likely got one similar at home if he needs that do do his job). If it's the former then every man and woman on the street would probably be carrying round a terminal and identifying a deck is nigh on impossible, if the latter then only those up to no good would be carrying one around.

I guess with the general mood of the sixth world and the use of the term wage-slave that large offices with lots of workers are in vogue again (home-working is only a fad). Do the workers want tools to take home? Do the corps want the no-good money grabbing fools to take expensive equipment home with them?

Questions, questions...

Home-working is far from a fad, it's in many ways the norm of SR. Difference is, instead of taking your work home, you now live at work.

~J

I would expect that an officer could link up a diagnostic device to the input port and find out if it is above the "bounds". if it was, than he arrests you, and leaves it to DA to figure out how far out of bounds it is.

or he may not hassle you at all if you don't look odd.

just my 2 cents.

-Mike R.

about the convergence vs specialized devices. i would rather have many small devices that do one job but do it nicely (kinda like the philosophy behind the unix shell) but then allow diffrent devices to be hooked together ot exchange info so that i can use my digical camera to take a picture (and maybe manipulete it in some easy ways) and then transmitt it to my mobil phone that will act as the relay and send it on to a email account or webpage or whatever. but this will only happen when the hardware and software corps stop comeing up with new ways to push items that lock you to theyre solutions...

allso remeber that the original shadowrun was created while cyberpunk was strong on its own and in a time when mobile phones where about ot go from being a battery with a carrying handle and a handset to being something you could put in your breifcase (hell its only the last 5 or so years that they have become pocket sized)...

take a look at the chromebooks for cyberpunk 2020. most of the stuff there will look dated or bulky compared to what we have now most of the time, atleast when it comes to portable electronics...

and didnt they just errata a lot of the consealability ratings?

I've got a PDA from 1992 that's decidedly more concealable than a heavy pistol, but you're right, that was recently fixed.

~J

Wait, where did they errata the concealabilities?

JaronK

Standard cyberterminals have a legality rating of Legal (Matrix p. 167) whereas cyberdecks (any deck with Masking or Evasion) has the 4P-S legality.

Cyberterminals (as described on SR3 p. 207) are also very rare as most corporations aren't going to hand one out to their employees, so it's going to raise an eyebrow any time one is encountered. For day-to-day computing by the vast majority of the population, a Desktop, Pocket, or Wrist Computer (all three of which are very distinct from a cyberterminal) would be used while hardcore cyberterminals are either at home or at the office.

All that aside, the legality code for a cyberdeck is pretty straight-forward (even if a bit lame). Anytime a security/police officer or anyone else of that caliber spots a cyberterminal, and since they don't have a Concealability rating as far as I know it's a given that they will if you're carrying one around, they get to make a Security/Police Procedures test with a TN of 4. If they make it, bam, they know it's a cyberdeck and will ask to see a permit; no hardware diagnostics required. If they fail, they'll assume it's a legal cyberterminal and never bother you unless you wander by with it again.

So apparently there is something distinct and suspicious about a cyberdeck versus a cyberterminal even if the rules themselves don't come out and say as much. Maybe they require a larger power pack, have more ports, or just hum differently than a legal cyberterminal. Whatever it is, people trained to spot the difference manage to do so with an almost absurd about of ease. But since it doesn't matter if it has Masking or not, they can't actually tell that it's an illegal cyberdeck or just one used by a security decker (with Evasion), it's obviously something superficial.

In my games, I actually jacked the legality up to 8P-S and require a Matrix Security Procedures check to spot the superficial difference, making it hard but possible. Officers can default to Police/Security Proceudres, but that just increases the code to 10P making it that much more difficult (with any other positive modification to the code making it impossible to default to). For hardware diagnostics, I'd just pit the deck's Masking rating against a scanner's rating in an Opposed Test. If the Masking wins, it just appears to be a security deck with Evasion and a high-end MPCP which is legal with a permit. Otherwise, the Masking is detected and no permit's gonna help you.

That'd be a funny joke for an otaku

We have an Otaku who goes around with a cardboard box with the word "Deck" written on it.

~J

Did something similair, had an NPC decker with a maxxed out C^2 with an int of 10.... Had a "bread board" case with a barrier rating of 8, inside was just a pass though cable. He always had cover...

Playing a decker for some time now gives me the idea that portable decks aren't very common on the street. Why? You still need to plug the thing in. Its nigh useless as a computer and lets face it, if you run pure DNI your deck will lack a keyboard. Sure you can go wireless....... for a boat load of nuyen. You need the program, the interface and the actual wireless component. Security sucks and no corp manager in their right mind would let employees log onto wwm.Mitsuhama.com/labexperiments/crimesagainsthumanity from their cell phone. Keep the decks in house because if I saw someone carrying a deck on the street I would mug them for their RAM, propritary software and encoded firmware.

Think a PocketDeck would be like that small CD player-sized thing that Lt. Kusinagi used in the corporation building in the GitS manga?

A cyberdeck is roughly the same size and dimension as a table top computer (a large keyboard with roll-out screen) and turning a table top computer into a pocket computer has a multiplier of x5. Thus if you really want a pocket-sized deck, just multiply its already outrageous costs by x5. In exchange you get a Concealability of 8 instead of 4 and a 90% reduction in weight.

That makes it consist with canon technology and I doubt if any GM would complain about a x5 cost multiplier in exchange for something so relatively minor.

Edit: Modified post due to errata'ed Concealability ratings.

Apparently I should quote more. When referring to the commonality of decks on the streets I was talking general public. Legal vs. Illegal. Mugging a decker can be suicidal as you pointed out.

The cost for a person to mount a rating 8 cellular link would be parts 6,240 + 32,000 for the program. Corporations could outfit cheaper of course but again, security security security. Hell, follow the wage slave to the internet cafe and put your dataline tap in there. I'm sure its a tad easier to break into Barnes & Noble than MCT.

Lonestar has to have figured out that carrying a deck for most people is unlikely. All but one stock cyberdeck costs more than a car and the ultra low end is either on somebodies desk or outside on the way to the trash. Its like a RoadMaster. You see one across the street from your safehouse its time to whip out the gun because the chance of it not belonging to a shadowrunnner are slim.

Wasn't there a canon reference that if you wanted a piece of cyberware as an external, hand-held device the price was half? I'm not saying taht you should get a cyberdeck for half, but a 10% price increase over the standard deck would make it pocket sized.

Of course, if you want to stick a deck into a cyberlimb, it's got a x4 cost multiplier (in previous editions, it was pretty explicit about the higher cost for those, I think, not looking at Cybertechnology right now, so I can't be 100% sure).

Sure, they don't need to charge you that much of an increase, but they certainly like the profit margin on a low demand part.

Add that to the already staggering abilities of the pocket secretary (primarily the cellular connection) and you've got a great stocking stuffer for your decker contact.

If you wanted a really concealable deck, maybe you could just build a cranial deck and not implant it. Just put a case on it, carry it in your pocket and jack into it as normal.

yea they have

It's in Matrix, pg. 59. I don't believe Target: Matrix covers them.

Sorry, missed the word 'wireless' there. Wireless interfaces in general are covered on pg. 60.

gah, i do belive that post changed after i read it. or i must have read it wrongly as i was answering to the fact that normal FUPs where coverd in the matrix book, i didnt see anything about wireless or target:matrix when i posted that i can recall

oh crap

sorry then for reading so totaly wrong...

I keep meaning to check... but I think there's something on wireless peripherals in the SSG.

Yep. Toward the front of the rules section, I keep thinking there's something about wireless connections, but I might be wrong.

man i realy need to get my hands on that book