 Quick Question about Concealable Holsters, Can I put a shotgun in it? |
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 May 20 2004, 06:25 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323  |
Of course, I'm refering to the Remmington Roomsweeper. It seems to be halfway between a pistol and a shotgun... can I throw it into a concealable holster? I'm playing around with a pint-sized elven decker with a lot of curiosity and moxy, and, when the first two get him in trouble, a shotgun to bail him out.
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May 20 2004, 06:32 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,011 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
If it's classed as a pistol, I'd say yes. I don't remember the Roomsweeper offhand.
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May 20 2004, 06:33 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
It's classed as a pistol. Conceal away.
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May 20 2004, 06:52 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
The roomsweeper is classified as a shotgun, despite its pistol size concealability. By the rules, despite having a higher conceal than most heavy pistols, you can't. Why? Because the rules are insane, of course.
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May 20 2004, 07:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 |
You know there is a point where one could just put the rules aside for a moment and just use common sense. Wouldn't this qualify as one of those times?
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May 20 2004, 07:10 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,011 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No.
~J |
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May 20 2004, 07:24 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
Actually, it's classified as a heavy pistol, including the ability to use heavy pistol ammunition ("in which case the weapon does 9M damage"), and is perfectly acceptable in a concealed holster. It just uses the rules (choke, shot, etc.) for shotguns.
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May 20 2004, 07:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Hmm. Well, my decker only has shotguns skill, not pistols... will that be an issue? I'm sorta confused as to where it counts as a pistol and where it's a shotgun.
JaronK |
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May 20 2004, 07:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
It's one of those weird ones where you're basically okay with either skill as long as you settle on which skill your character is going to use with it. It's really up to your GM, though.
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May 20 2004, 07:45 PM
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Jesus Freak Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,141 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Anaheim, CA Member No.: 6,274 |
I allow any weapon with a conceal of 4 or better to be used in a concealed holster.
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May 20 2004, 07:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Hmm, so you allow a standard shotgun, the 250, in a concealable holster... rock!
JaronK |
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May 20 2004, 07:49 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
If you want to use the pistol rules and be able to conceal it, you're gonna need the pistol skill. If you want to use the shotgun rules and use your shotgun skill, you shouldn't be able to conceal it. Using only the rules that are convenient (i.e., pistol rules to be able to throw it into the concealable holster, but shotgun rules to fire it) just seems cheesy and wrong somehow.
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May 20 2004, 07:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 26-February 02 From: The Golden Orchards Member No.: 2,011 |
Well, the Ares Predator 2 and 3 both have conceal 4, for some reason.
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May 20 2004, 08:05 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Right. Because it made so much more sense with conceal 6 shotguns and conceal 5 SMGs not being allowed. |
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May 20 2004, 08:08 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
On a troll, a shotgun SHOULD be concealable.
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May 20 2004, 08:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
:rotfl: Amen to that.
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May 20 2004, 08:19 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
Depends on WHERE you are concealing it.
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May 20 2004, 08:19 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
It's a good thing, then, that the standard rules make no mention whatsoever of Concealability with regards to what weapons can gain the +2 bonus a Concealable Holster grants. Only pistols, regardless of their Concealability, gain the bonus. The Remington Roomsweeper is one of the odd ones in the rules. They're classified as heavy pistols, they use heavy pistol ranges, and they use heavy pistol calibers and clips apparently. They just happen to use shotgun rules when shooting one, including the ability to use shot (which, apparently, is readily available in a heavy pistol caliber). It's up to the GM to decide if they can be holstered or not and what skill you use, but the rules as written heavily suggest they can and that you use Pistols when doing so. If you want to bitch about something, bitch about how they organize weapons by range instead of by class with range simply given as a stat. |
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May 20 2004, 08:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Quick other thing about shotguns... I read something about this, but now I forget. With shot, do you actually have to pay Flechette prices for the stuff, or can you just pay standard ammo prices for the shot? 100 ny for a single shot seems steep for what's basically just some pellets.
JaronK |
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May 20 2004, 08:28 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,011 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
First off, it'd be ¥100 for 10. Second, shot rounds cost the same as normal rounds. It's in there somewhere.
~J |
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May 20 2004, 08:29 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Flechette is just that, shot shells are different, less areodynamic.
Shot and Solid are the same, flechette is more |
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May 20 2004, 08:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Err, yeah. 100 for 10. I knew that.
But anyway, where does it say that? My poor decker's so strapped for starting cash he can't afford an armour or attack program (thank goodness for high evasion and masking... it fits with the character anyway). JaronK |
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May 20 2004, 08:32 PM
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Jesus Freak Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,141 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Anaheim, CA Member No.: 6,274 |
Exactly. A shotgun could be concealed along the length of your back or something. |
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May 20 2004, 08:42 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Um, I don't think that's where he was going with it. :please: |
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May 20 2004, 08:43 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Talk about busting a cap
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