 Quick Question about Concealable Holsters, Can I put a shotgun in it? |
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 May 20 2004, 08:59 PM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98  |
I always envisioned the Roomsweeper as being a little bit like a chopped down semiautomatic rifle (feeds from an internal magazine rather than a tube mag, etc) with a pistol grip and an awfully short barrel, firing .410 gauge shotshell. That's not totally out of the range of believability (although i'd wonder why the hell anyone would bother). Not using a tubular magazine means that you can keep the gun much shorter than you could otherwise, although it gets noticeably bulkier.
The closest thing we've got to a Roomsweeper today is the Thunder Five... a 5 shot, .410 gauge revolver that probably rolls in around Conceal 4. 9M would be a good base damage value for that, apply shotshell rules if you load 'em. |
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May 20 2004, 09:04 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
What do you mean? A tube mag practically is an internal mag.
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May 20 2004, 09:05 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
I thought the Roomsweeper fires in SS mode and was pump action.
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May 20 2004, 09:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
I'm not at home right now, but I could swear it's SA.
JaronK |
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May 20 2004, 09:10 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
<checks excel file created for use at work> Shit. You're right. Was it always? SR1? SR2?
That pic on the cover of SR1 and 2 has lead me astray! |
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May 20 2004, 09:58 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Maybe it just pumps really quickly.
~J |
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May 20 2004, 10:05 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
You guys know that there are pump shotguns that can also switch to gas operation, right?
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May 20 2004, 10:16 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Remington Roomsweeper: Conc. 6, Ammo 8(m), SA, 9s(f)
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May 20 2004, 10:26 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Like the Franchi SPAS line? Yes, we do.
~J |
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May 20 2004, 10:27 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Like the Franchi SPAS line? Yes, we do.
~J |
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May 20 2004, 10:52 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
There have been several times in the relatively short time I've been reading through these forums when I wanted to just ask: Why don't you just make a call, and be done with it? I've always thought the most important part of GMing is knowing when to ignore the rules and just make a call. Not being able to quote them and relate every single one to a RL physics equation. |
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May 20 2004, 11:01 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
And during a game, that's what we usually do. When we've got time to give the matter proper thought, though, why not do so?
~J |
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May 20 2004, 11:07 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
A little extra input from some other GMs who might've had similar questions helps a lot.
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May 20 2004, 11:08 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
More to the point, when the question specifically pertains to canon rules, the answer will do the same. Of course it's within the GM's purview to modify horribly broken rules on the fly, and if you're even craizer, to modify them on your own time in some silly revisionist project, but that's pretty much an unspoken caveat.
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May 20 2004, 11:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 16-August 03 Member No.: 5,501 |
apparantly you CAN put a smg in a concealable holster by cannon, its mentioned in the write up of the summit line parkas
page 48 top right hand corner in the cannon companion yay :grinbig: |
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May 21 2004, 12:32 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Nope. That just applies to that particular iteration of the holster.
~J, feeling snarky |
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May 21 2004, 01:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 16-August 03 Member No.: 5,501 |
but it does open up the possibility of making a concealable holster for a smg doesnt it?
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May 21 2004, 01:27 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
Actually, it doesn't. As previously mentioned, you can put just about any weapon in a concealable holster. The +2 bonus, however, only applies to pistols; for anything else, it's treated as a standard holster. The only thing the Summit Line blurb does is limit the size of the weapon to that of an SMG.
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May 21 2004, 02:06 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Uh, I'd say the wording is sufficiently vague as to be interpetable in either direction. And let's not talk about realism. That shotgun has a conceal of 6 for fuck's sake. Reality ceases to apply.
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May 21 2004, 02:24 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Reality does not cease to apply. It just beings to apply very selectively ;)
~J |
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May 21 2004, 08:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 345 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Leeds, UK Member No.: 4,046 |
Is the "size of an SMG" defined anywhere - common sense would say that means Pistols, SMGs and Tasers, but since you can get Assault Rifles and Shotguns more concealable than an SMG, does that mean they're smaller..? :)
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May 21 2004, 09:40 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i'd go with the default Conceal ratings listed in CC for the different weapon types in the creation guide. i've always ignored the 'pistols only' rule, limiting it instead to base Conceal 4+. it's an easy change, and it alleviates some of the hurting that happens in my skull when i start thinking about SR rules.
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May 21 2004, 10:49 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
I just follow the rules, my head don't hurt at all.
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May 21 2004, 02:04 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Doesn't the Secret Service or US Marshals have a very compact shotgun?
Visual reference: "The Replacement Killers" -- one of the bad guys carried the weapon during the assault on the forger's lab. -Siege |
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May 21 2004, 02:06 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Defendant: "It was only a little shotgun."
District Attourney: "Your honor, the term is 'Sawed-off'" |
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