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 Jun 11 2004, 08:23 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323  |
Well, Washington was elected with 100% of the electoral votes, so that's about as close as it comes (I believe Jefferson would have had a similar vote in, but one man voted against him, on the grounds that only Washington should have gotten 100%). That's why I listed him as the only one in the 99% range. Also, there are VERY few people who would seriously criticize Washington today, and Cutter was talking about current approval ratings, not approval ratings at the time of his term.
The one I was refering to was simply their opposition of United States action, which was what caused that whole freedom fry crap in the first place, as well as a sudden alarming trend, mostly among conservatives, to behave as though France was the new Nazi Germany or USSR. Yes, the French have a poor military record, but the French Resistance Fighters were extreamly brave and crucial to the war effort, and the French Revolution in many ways lead to the American one. Not to mention the Louisianna Purchase was rather helpful to America at the time, and it was sold extreamly cheap to us by the French. And yeah, he was a house guy. Close enough really. He was your fault though? For shame! (Says the Californian with the "Gubernator") JaronK |
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Jun 11 2004, 08:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
The Frensh Revolution started 12 years after the beginning of American and 7 after its end, but we can thank them for their support selfish that it was.
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Jun 11 2004, 08:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Sorry, I phrased that wrong. It should have been "the French support in many ways made the American Revolution possible, and the effects of the French Revolution helped make the American one a success in the long run, both by teaching us lessons about what directions not to go and by making Democracy/Republic a more generally accepted governmental type." But I was being lazy.
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Jun 11 2004, 08:39 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Not to go too far with this, but it's worth pointing out that we didn't really get the Louisian Purchase out of any sortof French benevolence. Napoleon was strapped for cash and had all this 'useless' land: boom, giant US. More an academic nitpick than anything significant, though.
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Jun 11 2004, 08:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
I was just pointing it out so the kiddies here will not get confused. Some of us are old and have an excuse to be. ;)
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Jun 11 2004, 08:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
That and it more than halved the territory he needed to protect. Also he thought the French holdings in the Caribbean were enough and held similar strategic value. |
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Jun 11 2004, 08:43 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
And some of you are old enough to remember the signing. :)
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Jun 11 2004, 08:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Napoleon was being a politician... generous, but only so far as it supported his country. He wasn't supporting us by giving us a low price just because he thought we were cute, he was doing it to strengthen ties with the US, to screw England, to support his war effort, etc. It was still very helpful, and he could have tried for more cash.
And luckily, I'm young enough to still know everything. :) JaronK |
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Jun 12 2004, 05:14 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
*shakes head*
You guys crack me up.... Political "is so/is not" aside, no one mentioned the "damage shift" power for Horrors? Shame, shame... As for damage codes, Austere Emancipator calculated some out for nukes. |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:10 PM
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It's controversial whether or not he killed the USSR. That idea seems to me as arrogant as saying that the US "lost" China in 1949, as if China were ever ours to lose. I was only a little kid when Regan was president so I can't really address his legacy. But I know many people who really hated him, so obviously his legacy isn't entirely one-sided. When I read historical or political articles on him he sounds reckless and pro-rich-people. Anyway, this is really off topic. Can we please stop bringing up Regan? |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:15 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
At least until the Shedim thread. :grinbig: -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:16 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
I like how everyone convieniently forgets the French Resistance. |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:22 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
How is he forgetting the French Resistance? -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:27 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
No, not him. The people who make cowardly frenchman jokes. |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:29 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Ahhh.
That's more stereotype than any real basis in fact. And, if pressed, most people making those jokes will admit it. -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:40 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
It's still boring to have your nationality insulted that way on a regular basis, no matter how stupid it stands, and more especially when a thread like Stealth Ships get locked for a lot less obvious issue.
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Jun 12 2004, 08:43 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Boring?
Tacky, tasteless and stupid might be closer to the truth. And Americans should have a better appreciation for that nuance, given our reputation overseas. But unfortunately, maturity and common sense doesn't always apply. -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
People were being very serious about hating the French like that, and it was stupid. Moral of the story: stereotypes spread like wildfire given half a chance, and hatred is a potent tool.
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Jun 12 2004, 08:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
Well, maybe you know how Americans feel when they see their nationality insulted on a regular basis by everyone else, too. The French included. |
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Jun 12 2004, 09:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
Well, considering that most Europeans consider our country to be the largest threat to making sure I reach the supermarket in one piece, there may be something there.
Check out the first page. Yes, that's me who initiated the poll. Yes, Americans make French and German jokes. OTOH, there a quite a few French people living in the student building who aren't as bad as the French as a whole are made out to be. They're people too. Actually, I wonder if these sort of things make their way into Shadows of Europe. I do wonder if that books speaks to some degree about national pride, which is a large part of Europe (and a growing part of Germany, depending on who you speak with). Don |
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Jun 12 2004, 09:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
Considering that Europeans are largely responsible for causing the Middle East to hate the western world.... well, it can just go back and forth. The simple fact is America is the only superpower at the moment, so they get the brunt of the world's hatred simply for that fact. I just think it's lame that people from other countries pout about because they receive the same kind of insults and snide jokes that their countrymen throw against Americans (not to mention the English).
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Jun 12 2004, 09:42 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
I use to find stupid critics of the United States boring too. Is being bored by human stupidity lame ? |
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Jun 12 2004, 09:49 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Eh -- most of the Middle East hates the US for our continued and in some instances unreasoning support of Israel.
But if not for Bush's current foreign policy, the Irish would dislike the Brits, the Brits and French would mock each other and on and on and on. Never mind Japanese tourists. We just happen to have center stage at the moment. -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 09:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
Nah. But it would have come across better if you said so to begin with instead of just being bored/annoyed by a French stereotype. I think pretty much all negative stereotypes, while completely natural from a psychological point of view, suck. But it's just the way things are and I doubt if it'll ever change. |
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Jun 13 2004, 01:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
How do you figure? Last time I checked, it was the US and Britain who got that title... our little instalation in Iran of the Shah is one of the driving forces behind that hatred, and certainly the reasons for Iran's feelings toward us... the manuever we pulled during the Sr. Bush's term with Iraq and the whole "we won't do anything if you invade Kuwait... just kidding" thing is why Saddam hated us... we've definitely been a driving force in a few other countries too. JaronK |
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