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I agree with Bit on the Boba Fett issue.
As for SR bounty hunters, I don't pretend every event in SR is perfectly realistic so I'm willing to go with the romanticized version of Bounty Hunting rather than have them be bail-bondsmen. |
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Jun 13 2004, 03:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
I agree with Bit on the Boba Fett issue.
As for SR bounty hunters, I don't pretend every event in SR is perfectly realistic so I'm willing to go with the romanticized version of Bounty Hunting rather than have them be bail-bondsmen. |
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Jun 13 2004, 03:30 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Reality and Boring are often one and the same. :D
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Jun 13 2004, 03:31 AM
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I think anytime currency or and kind of reward is placed on an individual, the person who is tries to collect is considered a Bounty Hunter. I think this is generally understood in the shadowrun universe.
I even believe that there is an archetype for a Troll bounty Hunter in the 2nd Edition contact book that came with the GM screen. But the truth is there are bounty Bounty hunters who go after criminals that have skipped on there bail bondsman, And there exist the bounty hunters who go after the bounties put on runners from Corps, Organized Crime, Private Organizations, or any individuals who may wish the apprehension of said runners. |
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Jun 13 2004, 03:45 AM
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Good for you. [ Spoiler ]
Depends on your reality, I guess. ;) But for the most part, I agree. This post has been edited by kevyn668: Jun 13 2004, 03:47 AM |
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Jun 13 2004, 08:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,074 |
Ok, so the term "Bounty Hunter" can mean two things:
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Jun 13 2004, 08:14 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
That's all more or less correct except for the bit about wanted style bounty hunting. At least on paper, the payouts for dangerous stuff like bringing in Osama Bin Laden are a lot better than the measly rewards for bail jumpers, which is why bounty hunting in the US is not a terribly romantic profession. For most people, however, the (extreme) added danger and (extreme) added difficulty don't make it worth it.
Why would someone go after nastier jobs? Some people like a challenge. Some people also like to eat, as bail jumpers really, really, really don't pay well. I also get the feeling that bounty hunting plays a larger role in bringing criminals in in Shadowrun's world than it currently does in the US. Settings with frontier elements tend to capitalize on this element, as lack of strong law enforcement does create a strong market for such services. |
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Jun 13 2004, 02:33 PM
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My point was simply that the phrases bail bondsman and bounty hunter carry two entirely different connotations, kind of like "mercenary" and "freelance security operative", or "shadowrunner" and "deniable asset". They're essentially the same thing, but depending on which phrase is used, it brings to mind a different image.
As for a bail bondsman not tracking the person who skipped bail, they often do. Many of them are freelancers who get capital from a third party. I know this because, many moons ago, i had a conversation with somone who was a professional bondsman/tracer. We talked at length about the profession. He was more than informative. |
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Jun 13 2004, 05:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 226 Joined: 4-June 03 Member No.: 4,685 |
Yeah, some people in team I GM for got bounties on their heads. Like for killing a chief of high-ranked clinic in Seattle and selling stolen data from their host. He got his karma, allright, and big bounty on his head too. I think he will survive about 2 or if lucky, 3 sessions.
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Jun 13 2004, 06:14 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Er no, a bail bondsman is a TOTALLY different thing than a bounty hunter. A bail bondsman is the businessman who pays your bail. Hes is the businessman who hires a bounty hunter if you skip bail. He has absolutely nothing at all to do with tracking anyone. All he does is run a bail bonds business. A bail bondsman has absolutely nothing im common with a bounty hunter, they are two totally, completely separate jobs that bear no similarities. A bail bondsman sets behind a desk and handles money. You may be looking for another term, but bail bondsmen is not it. Definition of Bail Bondsman
Incidentally I work for the local PD here, I talk about these things every so often. The person you poke to was NOT just a bail bondsman. He was a bail bondsman/licensed Bounty hunter. In order to track the man down he was acting in the capacity of a Bounty Hunter. Being a car salesman/mechanic doesn't mean that all car salesman can fix cars. Just because one man did both doesn't mean they are the same, or even related jobs. Both Bounty Hunter and Bail Bondsman are totally separate licensed professions with totally different qualifications.
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Jun 13 2004, 07:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 29-March 03 From: Tir Tarngiere Member No.: 4,353 |
The term I believe the person was looking for is "Bond Enforcement Agent". They actually are "bounty hunters" in the sense of they are hired by the bail bondsman to track down the person who skipped out on bail. |
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Jun 14 2004, 01:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
I look at them as the CowBoys from cowboy beebop when i run a game. Posting what a real Bail Bonds men is great , but those poor bastards have it rough. I like the fictional look at them better than what they are in The united states of now.
Remeber Shadow Run world has changed drastically and corps have there own laws, Tons of Laws have changed since the awakening, i'd put my UCAS cred saying that Body unters are like the Bobba Fetts and Spike Speigals, :nuyen: except Bobba Fett was more sucessful than spike. |
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Jun 14 2004, 02:34 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Hmm, do you think Lone Star would hire special agents to hunt down and kill certain troublesome cybered criminals? Maybe LS figures it's more cost-efficient to simply hire 1 skilled individual to kill off chromed up killers then to go thru all the legal aspects of mounting a SWAT operation to arrest him, put him on trial, pay for the suegrery to remove his cyberware, etc.?
I'm just asking cause I got the image of a guy like Deckard running around "retiring" cyborgs... |
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Jun 14 2004, 02:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 28-May 04 From: Moorhead, MN, USA Member No.: 6,367 |
What about pesky man-eating paracritters etc.? Ever any bounties on critter pelts? I know in the past, a man could get a fair amount of spare change getting rid of those evil coyotes. :S
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Jun 14 2004, 02:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
There's bounties on some, depending when they become problems. There's a bounty on proven man-eating hydras and also one for kluuges. Check out paranormals of Europe for more info. I imagine there's a bounty on wyrd mantises. Basically, if starts causing a problem or is already a problem, i.e. devil rat, then there's probably some one who will pay for its removal.
BTW, does anyone know if they officially rescinded the bounty on ghouls? It was mentioned there was a bounty for them in 2nd ed and also in the Germany sourcebook. Is that still valid or has it been rescinded? Don |
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Jun 14 2004, 03:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
Ah I remeber playing ShadowRun for the sega...i'd always go out on the bounties for ghouls.
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Jun 14 2004, 03:43 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Right, except spike didn't get beat down constantly, nor by a blind guy with a stick in a pit. Boba Fett's rate at doing anything useful was remarkably low. In fact, he really didn't do anything cool at all except wear cool looking armor. Accprding to the Lone Star sourcebook, LS does hire Shadowrunners for some things, but offering a bounty "dead or alive" is still condoning murder, therefore illegal.
Just to play devil's advocate, them doing that is PR gold. "We at lone star stopped and locked away this once cybered killing machine. We look out for your intersts!" <toothy grin>
There's also a bounty on Juggernauts. Good luck. |
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Jun 14 2004, 03:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
What and spike did'nt get beat down? Spike had his ass handed to him by Vincent in knocking on heavens doors, By that super assasin in the theme park, man the dude was near death more than Boba Fett, and then there Vicious " even though those 2 where an even match" Hell Spike is dead. I havent heard of Bobba fett dieing yet. |
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Jun 14 2004, 04:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I thought QUebec had bounties on almost every critter? The Bid D has bounties on Blood Mages. I sem to remember a bounty on HOugans now, I think it was in Year of The Comet, I maybe mistaken. In Paranormal Animals of NA, there was a shadowtalker saying a biotech lab (I think Universisal Omnitech) was offering a bounty on a Kraken, yes that big ass sea creature. One caveat though, the skin had to be undamaged.
Personally I like the PI/Bounty Hunter archtype. The skip tracer/bail skip hunter just seems boreing in a game like SR. With that stereotype you can get the whole group involved. A decker, a rigger, a mage and maybe a few sam types/physads. With a skip tracer, you just have to hang out around the moms house and stupid will show up sooner or ater. Hell, he mom might call you because she will lose her house because Jr the idoit had the desent sense to think about his mother useing her house as bond for the bail. Even the girlfriend will, eventually stupid will do something to piss her off and she'll be mad enough to call you to turn his ass in for revenge. Bailbondsmen usually talk to who ever is doing he bailing. They do a little file on you before you get out. Like "Will Jr. show if we bond him?" They'll check with their friends the clerks to see if you have any FTAs in the past. Get some info on you from family/bailer, to see where you might run if youdecide you need to run this time. |
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Jun 14 2004, 04:03 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Blind man. Beat By a blind man. Not some kung fu shaolin pimp blind man, a blind man with a stick. You're comparing a blind man to an uber genetically modified assassin, spike's evil twin, and a super soldier. Right. And according to Lucas, Boba Fett officially died in the sarlacc pit. Boba Fett is dead. None of the books are canon according to Lucas. All Boba Fett did was follow Han, he didn't even capture him. He needed Vader there with a pile of Storm troopers. I may be wrong but I don't think Fett won a single fight in the movies.
And to keep this topical, in the aftermath of Bug City ghouls were taken off the bounty list as a result of the plight of the Cabrini Refuge IIRC. |
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Jun 14 2004, 04:07 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Technically, Deckard worked for the Police. "Blade Runners" were nicknames for a formal Law Enforcement position.
As for Bobba - technically he never climbed out of the Sarlacc pit (in canon). So he's either really dead or really hating life. And Fett really only got smacked down three times. Well, depending on which clone you're talking about. -Siege |
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Jun 14 2004, 04:09 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I agree Bobba Fett in the movies had a poor showing. But like Spike when given the chance (in expanded Universe books) Bobba gets to show he can be a tough nut to crack. As far as Bobba Fett dieing. He was suppose to have died in the pit. In the expanded universe books they had him escape. So when Lucas re did the movies he had Bobba fly out. I also heard Bobba was killed "again" only to have his identity taken by another as a way to get one of their goals accomplished, after that they decided being the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy they wanted to stay as Bobba. I am not sure which book it is, I haven't read it, just going off info from a Star Wars junkie friends word. So if that is true, Bobba is not Bobba anymore, it is someone pretending to be Bobba, sort of the Dread Pirate Roberts thing going on. Edit: BitBasher, not argueing with you but, I seem to remeber Lucas changeing his mind about canon material. Lucas said of course his movies take presedence but has also said anything with a Lucas logo on it is also canon because the logo says he approves of it. He also released a list to put in order the material priority of canon. The movies first then the novels and so on, until you get to coloring books. But that may have more to do with the fact the RPG is pretty popular and things from one source counter others, so if a book says this is right and the movie says something different, well the movie wins. |
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Jun 14 2004, 04:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Feh. Lucas should have never re-done the movies.
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Jun 14 2004, 04:15 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I agree but, life goes on. :)
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Jun 14 2004, 04:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
So he did Die, I thought the Cannon of starwars did kill him.
Ha just some feeble blind man? ha what a bitch! Ha I help hijack my Own Thread!!!!!!!! JJJJJJJJYYYYYYYYHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDD. |
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