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 Jun 16 2004, 04:28 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992  |
Quick questions.
1) Are hardpoints and firmpoints just there? Like, are they there in a shroedinger's cat sort of state until I put in a turret? Or are the something I have to actually purchase? 2) What sort of stuff comes standard with sensors? Thermographic, flare compensation, low light, ultrasonic, what? 3) What's the weapon value for a flamethrower? I'm working on a VTOL drone used for operations in South America and Africa. 4) Are cranial decks _supposed_ to suck? Or am I just not looking at them right? |
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Jun 16 2004, 04:46 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Heh. You referenced Shroedinger's Cat. :P Awsome.
Anyway, I don't have my books handy at the momemt (there should be a smile for that and a smile for "I'm too damn lazy to look it up so I'll say I don't have my books around.") but some one will be along shortly to post page numbers. All of your answers are published. |
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Jun 16 2004, 08:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-July 03 Member No.: 4,963 |
1. Firmpoints and Hardpoints are Just There until you install a turret. They're meant to represent how many guns you can hypothetically add to a vehicle in various ways.
2. Pg 135 BBB, left column, under the heading "System Components And Sensor Ratings" 3. For the Shiawese blazer, the description explicitly says it's built from an SMG. Treat it as one for mounting purposes. For the other, fuck if I know. It's never stated anywhere. It's unconcealable, I'd say treat it as an LMG or MMG. Flip a coin. 4. They're supposed to suck. The only way to really use one is to get a cyberleg, install a signal amp, and wire them up. Otherwise, they're only useful for James Bond-esque things like going into the bathroom, dropping a spider drone and scoping the area out. |
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Jun 16 2004, 12:24 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
The cyberdeck in a cyberleg ideal keeps coming around... but remember that built in devices cost 4x as much as regular devices. Check with your GM to see if you can't get a discount if you want to go that route.
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Jun 16 2004, 01:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
Why not just deal with trying to be a supersubscriber on a normal deck? Sure it's not the best option, but it's better than nothing.
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Jun 16 2004, 03:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
BBB? What book is that? The other info is very much helpful, though. It makes me feel all sorts of tingly.
As for the cranial, I think I'll pass on that. I can get an external with all sorts of goodies for a fraction of the price and no essence. And then dance without pants. |
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Jun 16 2004, 03:33 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 14-August 02 Member No.: 3,108 |
BBB means Big Black Book aka the Core Rule Book
Kerrygold |
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Jun 16 2004, 04:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
I never noticed it was black. I'm always boggling at the weird looking dwarf on the cover.
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Jun 16 2004, 04:08 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
It's not black (well, there is a little black), but some special printing was significantly blacker and thus the name was founded.
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Jun 16 2004, 04:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
Thankee for the clarification. Helpfulness... to the max! I'll go look it up right now.
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Jun 16 2004, 04:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
Built-In Device only applies when building a deck into the limb. If just storing one in a limb (at which point its removable, making it superior in all ways) it doesn't cost anything extra. The only thing you need to do is add a datajack to the leg to plug it into, and state that the jack is inside the storage area.
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Jun 16 2004, 04:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
Actually, the leg thing is kind of moot. I don't want to spend the cash on one, and I don't really have the essence to have it. And I don't want fake breasts to put my VCR in.
EDIT: Which don't really need essence, really. Unless I want to cybernetically control them. Which I might. |
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Jun 16 2004, 04:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
Depends on how you look at it... I don't think a regular cyberdeck fits into a limb very well. It's not shaped for it (you might be able to get away with it if you're a troll). If you had one custom built, it might work, but that carries its own burdens.
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Jun 16 2004, 05:28 PM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
I assume you mean crainal *cyberdecks* and not Remote-control decks?
Crainal cyberdecks do tend to suck. Their only advantage is total concealability; you can't really distinguish them from other headware. In theory, you can find and remove a deck hidden in a cyberleg. CRD's have one huge advantage over an external deck or one in a cyberleg, and that's the fact they can use the Server system. |
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Jun 16 2004, 06:29 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
And a decker can provide his own protection while on a run with a craniel remote deck. a few dobermans or lynx's and the appropriate weaponty and your decker is safe as a bug in a rug (who happens to be surrounded by heavily armored and armed drones)
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Jun 16 2004, 06:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 30-October 03 From: France Member No.: 5,775 |
CRD + VCR + Cranial cyberdeck ... What kind of fellah is the guy ? seems possible only if the Cyber is from radioshack... or that you pissed off the wrong , wrong kind of people...
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Jun 16 2004, 08:19 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 19-May 04 From: Boston Member No.: 6,345 |
Imagine if stuffershacks started out as radioshacks but then they added food to the selves (... to stay competative?)
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Jun 16 2004, 10:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
The ECU sizes listed in M&M are for storage purposes. Whether or not their realistic is a moot point (especially when compared with the CF conversion rules), but by the rules a cyberdeck can easily fit inside an obvious arm. Personally I assume you still take 'em out of their casing when you put them in, but that's just my rationalization for it. |
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Jun 16 2004, 11:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 17-November 03 From: Texas Member No.: 5,828 |
Doesn't the BBB or Matrix mention that many cyberdecks are DNI-only, with no keyboard, and that those machines are frequently no larger than a CD Case?
Dunno about you, but a CD case will certainly fit into the dimensions of my arm easily, and even easier for my leg. *scuttles off to verify* |
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Jun 17 2004, 01:59 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
The only references I've seen for cyberdeck size are along the lines of an "oversized keyboard". If I had a player want to do the leg thing and he had the B/R skills to break the casing down and install it in the limb, I wouldn't have a problem with that. The casing itself is the problem, I guess, not the parts inside.
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Jun 18 2004, 03:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 345 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Leeds, UK Member No.: 4,046 |
Which makes the quadruple price tag even more absurd... Remove the 2000Y case from the 200,000Y deck and try to fit it in a cyberleg and it costs 800,000Y. That's the way that electronics work IRL. Hell, I could it my laptop inside my leg if I didn't have to be constrained by the dimensions of the case. (and of course, if I had a hollow leg, which I don't). Stick the deck in the leg with a DNI control and you're set. |
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Jun 18 2004, 04:03 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
You wouldn't be able to take the deck in and out of the leg at will, though. I mean, you could, but without a case or an oddly modified case, it wouldn't likely be a good idea.
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Jun 18 2004, 04:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 345 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Leeds, UK Member No.: 4,046 |
Can't remember from the top of my head, but can legs or arms have the quick release or is that hands and feet only..?
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Jun 18 2004, 07:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 24-January 04 Member No.: 6,013 |
...I just got this image in my head of someone quick detatching a cyberleg and beating someone over the head with it.
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Jun 18 2004, 07:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
Or being beaten with their own leg. :D I'd link to choppingblock.org, except I can't specifically remember which strip it was. :( |
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