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Target  Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 10-July 04 From: Around the corner from Death Valley Member No.: 6,467  |
After reading the threads on casinos and cheating them, I wonder how do you all handle gambling in your games? Are there any canon rules? (if it were in the SSG i'd have to go buy it immediately.)
Also, this may or may not be unrelated. I've read something somewhere about 'markers' and 'underworld markers'. What are they? |
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Jul 10 2004, 08:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 5-May 02 From: Various Planets Across the Galaxy Member No.: 2,689 |
A marker, according to Guys and Dolls (musical starring Frank Sinatra, 1960's I think) is a bet you cannot welch on. You give someone a marker and come hell or high water you make good on it.
Its more or less an IOU only with a lot of weight behind it. I don't know what happens when you welch on a marker, my guess is you get your legs broken and your reputation stomped on by angry fat men. |
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Jul 10 2004, 09:38 PM
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I always thought it was the other way around, with your reputation being broken and your legs getting stomped on by angry fat men.
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Jul 10 2004, 09:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 5-May 02 From: Various Planets Across the Galaxy Member No.: 2,689 |
Maybe its both? :D
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Jul 10 2004, 09:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
As a minor point, wasn't Marlon Brando the star of the film version of Guys and Dolls?
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Jul 10 2004, 10:08 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
Gambling's easy. It's an IC explanation of karma for cash.
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Jul 10 2004, 10:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 5-May 02 From: Various Planets Across the Galaxy Member No.: 2,689 |
According to the yahoo filmography Both Brando and Sinatra were in the movie, so its safe to say both were starring in it. I don't know what brando looks like well enough to go "oh yeah, that's him back in 1955"
1955 is when the movie was made apparently. I was sorta close. |
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Jul 10 2004, 10:31 PM
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Jul 10 2004, 10:50 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 10-July 04 From: Around the corner from Death Valley Member No.: 6,467 |
What a way to go off topic guys :S
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Jul 10 2004, 10:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 5-May 02 From: Various Planets Across the Galaxy Member No.: 2,689 |
Hey hey hey, I answered half of the question. I'm allowed to go off-topic gods dammit! :)
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Jul 11 2004, 12:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897 |
A marker is effectively an underworld IOU, minus the cutsey spelling. It's part of your rep: welch on your marker, and no one's going to take it as credit any more.
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Jul 11 2004, 12:56 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Legitimate casinos also offer certain customers a line of credit. They agree to offer you a line of credit up to a certain amount and you can just sign a chit/marker to borrow the money. This is of course a legal document so they're more likely to go the lawyerly route than Fat Tony with a metal pipe and a couple friends way. In either instance, your reputation is now worthless if you welsh on it. Legal casinos wont front you money and could more than likely bar you from the premises whilst with the unofficial kind you've got Fat Tony to worry about and no-one is ever going to lend you money again 'cause they know you're not good for it.
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Jul 11 2004, 12:58 AM
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It's not DS if it doesn't go off-topic. |
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Jul 11 2004, 01:21 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 10-July 04 From: Around the corner from Death Valley Member No.: 6,467 |
We pretty much established what a marker is.
I'm still interested in how you could make a system for gambling. Maybe a different system for each game. I was thinking to represent a few deals of BlackJack, GM rolls 2d6 to determine TN (reflecting how easy or difficult luck is being on the character.) Player rolls knowledge skill Gambling(Blackjack). More successes = more overall gains. |
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Jul 11 2004, 01:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897 |
Maybe something like scatter rules. You know how the card game is supposed to go.....
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Jul 11 2004, 02:13 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
hey Coyote - as you're a relatively new poster, just a polite request to please use more descriptive subject lines for your threads. Thanks!
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Jul 11 2004, 02:29 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Actually just rill a pair of d6's and add them up. Highest wins, either Player or House. Player loses all ties. Gambling is not fair, and statistically you will LOSE. This is how casinos stay in business. Actually Ties lose or lower on 2d6 is probably better odds then you will get in a casino on most games.
A skill in gambling will only tell you to not gamble in a casino or play poker with people worse than you. And yes, I have worked in a casino for 4 years and My dad has done it for over 30 years. |
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Jul 11 2004, 03:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 460 |
Actually losing ties on 2d6 for the player *should* be much worse odd's then a Casino.
I believe most games reside in the high 40's for chance to win. Most common number on 2d6 is 7 (someone get me a bell curve :P) that comes up something like 20%. Just a thought. |
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Jul 11 2004, 03:53 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Yeah, but that's not the odds of Both people rolling a seven. House odds fall in their favor from 4-24% depending on the game and the bet. |
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Jul 11 2004, 07:05 AM
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THis really seems like one of those times when it'd be a hell of a lot easier to just play blackjack with a real deck (which presents its own problems given that there are multiple decks in a shoe).
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Jul 11 2004, 07:09 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Which, while fun, represents the player's ability to gamble, and not the character's ability to gamble. That's why I avoid things like that. |
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Jul 11 2004, 01:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
Why not try a derivative of gambling from Deadlands? Everyone who gambles rolls. The loser pays the winner his success x stake. Repeat for next highest and next loser. If there's an odd guy out, assume he breaks even.
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