 [ShadowsOfEurope] Reviews, Let's hear what you think... |
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 Jul 12 2004, 09:42 PM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185  |
I know at least one person's got it, so I'm opening up this thread for people to post their first impressions and hopefully full reviews. Whether you think its the second coming or that it stinks please let us know - and in the spirit of what's being done in other parts of this board, please, try to make the criticism constructive.
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Jul 13 2004, 02:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
Come on people :)
You can't imagine how much we're all under pressure to know what you think of the book. For most of us, it's the first professional text published, and thus it has a special value in our eyes. Don't let us on the grill any longer, please, someone has to speak :oops: :rollin: |
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Jul 13 2004, 02:25 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
I can't believe Rob fucked up my name in the credits!
How's that? :) |
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Jul 13 2004, 04:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
Apparently, my LGS hasn't gotten it yet, as I have received zero phone calls to tell me to come pick it up. Hopefully, I'll get it soon, and pound you mercilessly with criticism. :grinbig: |
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Jul 13 2004, 06:55 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
Hey Synner, with all the teasers you made, it's not like you wouldn't karmically deserve a little bit of play with your nerves :P
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Jul 13 2004, 07:39 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
I'd say it must have been a fun time at the FanPro Origins stand ;) |
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Jul 13 2004, 04:33 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Still waiting on my order to come in as well.
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Jul 13 2004, 07:32 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
Well, Stiggybaby's now has it. Rejoice! Go buy it! :)
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Jul 13 2004, 09:52 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
For the UKers and Europeans out there, Leisure Games will have it in by week's end.
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Jul 13 2004, 10:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
Hmmm. According to a telephone call to F-Shop, they should be getting it around the same time. Anytime this week was what the guy told me. Right now, I wished I'd asked him his name.
Don |
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Jul 13 2004, 10:58 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
It's horrible. Absolutely, completely awful. I wanted to sue the authors/publisher for wasted time and the urge to kill myself that it induced. Honest. ;)
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Jul 13 2004, 11:01 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
So you have got it then ;)
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Jul 13 2004, 11:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
No need! My LGS called. I'm leaving in 30 minutes to go buy it. On a side-note, I just noticed that Fast Forward put hella number of titles on markdown. 'Bout time I got me the Germany Sourcebook. |
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Jul 14 2004, 01:01 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
The site now says that they're expecting it in some time today (Wednesday). |
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Jul 14 2004, 02:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Dear Diary - Hard Day, computer wouldn't save those bloody scans again. Spent way too much time on those boards again. Round The World In 80 Days was a fun film to see. NOTE: Seek out FlakJacket and torture him before utterly destrying the remains. Remember to pick up cash for ForumCon. :grinbig: :rotfl: :D |
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Jul 14 2004, 07:19 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Well my local shop got it in today so I'll post some more thoughts in a bit. :)
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Jul 14 2004, 07:30 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Great, yet another volunteer for a review! Word of caution... don't start with the UK. ;)
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Jul 14 2004, 07:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 26-February 02 From: UCAS Member No.: 1,015 |
In the immortal words of Ice Cube: Today was a good day.
The FLGS got my copy of SoE in and DOOM 3 is Gold. I'm not much for actually reading RPG manuals (I use them as reference materials) so I don't expect to be posting a review, but I just wanted to say that I got it. |
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Jul 15 2004, 04:34 AM
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Grumpy Old Ork Decker Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50 |
Quickie Review ala Bull:
Art: Cover art was excellent. Interior art was hit an miss. Some was excellent, some was sub-par, but overall, good. Subject: I'm torn on the subject matter. There's a LOT of words in the book, and it's obvious that a lot of time went into writing them. Hell, as a freelancer, i know that years have been spent on this project. But... The fact that all the places covered were based in Europe, I found taht I simply didn;t care and wasn't interested. I tried to force myself to read the book, but every paragraph I was struck by the simple fact that the writers were under serious delusions about their so-called "countries" (As if you can really call those tiny, ancient holes in teh ground a Country). I mean, they all seem to think that not only was their "country" important, but that anyone would want to play in them... Pshaw, I saw. pshaw. The one country I wanted details on, Lithuania, barely even gets a mention! I expected at least 20 or 30 pages dedicated to it! They seriously dropped the ball there. All in all, I'm sad to say I can only give the book a paltry 3 stars out of 10. Well.. Actually, I'll give it 5 stars, because Adam's sister Ada is hawt. Actually... i just realized Bull the Ork Decker didn't get any posting time. Guess that drops it down to a 3 again... 1 point for art, 2 poinst for Ada. Ahh well. <grin> Bull -- Who actually likes it a lot. It'll make a good "thump" when I beat my players. |
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Jul 15 2004, 01:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 |
Got it yesterday.....
Skimmed through it but I'll probably do the heavy reading tonight. I'm kind of dissappointed that Greece didn't get a chapter. It seems more interesting than some of those that did. Surrounded by unstable Balkan states. New corporate initiative causing economic transformation. More metavariants than you can shake a weapon foci at. I read Poland which was interesting but I'm surprised that Lofwyr could be caught off guard that easily. To top it off Spinrad is still alive! I didn't realize that Lofwyr was having such problems. I had no idea about Switzerland. I think the troll goat shaman former Swiss politician face character may have some canon problems. (kidding!) France is only half as oppressive as I thought it was. Schwartzkopf is interesting but you don't learn much about what the other dragons are up to. ( Or the info is there but requires a closer read ) My initial review is 7 out of 10. There is lots of good info but I found Shadows of North America to be somewhat better written. ( It may be that things are simply more cramped in this book ) But perhaps the biggest hurdle for me is that my Shadowrunner group just doesn't run in Europe. ( one character is from Europe but she's kind of not welcome back. A moon maiden shaman rock musician from Westphalia. What could they possibly have against her? ) |
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Jul 15 2004, 01:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 439 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .se Member No.: 625 |
So alot of countries didn't get included, that is what Shadows of Europe 2 is going to be for :)
So buy this, buy extra copies, wait two years or so and we'll get there. |
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Jul 15 2004, 02:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
<snicker> |
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Jul 15 2004, 03:02 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 15-July 04 Member No.: 6,485 |
I am only about halfway through it currently, but so far I have found it interesting and well done. My only complaint is that I would have liked to see the corporate stats for the European AA's in the format we saw for the AAA's in Corporate Download and saw for Transys Neuronet in Dragons of the Sixth World. Other than that minor gripe, I am thoroughly enjoying the book. Good work and keep'em coming!
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Jul 15 2004, 04:53 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
Actually, I have something just like that in my hands. It was from back when we were to have our own section in Games Unplugged, but it didn't pan out in the end. If there's enough interest, I'll send it for inclusion on the website. |
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Jul 15 2004, 05:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
You beat me to it. That's my one major complaint thus far. It's a little slow reading right now, but history always is. I expect the pace to pick up a little once I hit the country-specific chapters. I also plan on doing a review, but it'll be broken up into sections. One overarching review won't work for a book of this length. |
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