 Channeling + Invoking = Immunity, How does this interact with your armor? |
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 Jul 27 2004, 03:21 AM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046  |
Ok, say your a combat mage initiate wearing FFBA3 (4/1) and an Armored Jacket (5/3). Your base armor is now 7/4.
Now you summon a force 4 city spirit, invoke it, and channel it. This gives you immunity to normal weapons at the spirit's force (4), effectively giving you 8/8 hardened armor. The question is, how does this 8/8 work with the 7/4 armor you got from your normal clothes? If the immunity effectively makes your skin harder, then you'd be able to reduce the overall power of weapons by your armor's rating before comparing it to your immunity to see if you're affected. Example: Sam the Samari draws his Ranger-X bow (set for strength min = 10) and put an arrow dead-center on your chest doing 14M. I think it would work like this:
2. You compare the adjusted power of the attack (7) with the level of your immunity (8/8 ). In this case, the attack wasn't quite strong enough, and the arrow bounces harmlessly off the mage's chest. |
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Jul 27 2004, 03:24 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
is there a reason you need to Invoke the city spirit for this to work? all spirits get Immunity: Normal Weapons.
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Jul 27 2004, 03:39 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
Just to nitpick, your base armor would be 7/3. As for the other that would be a tough call. For game balance rules I'd say it wouldn't but logically it would make sense that your worn armor would work first before the weapons hit you. You would be super man and the GM would start going after you with missles and sharks with lasers on their heads.
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Jul 27 2004, 03:42 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Yes, channeling does not take the benefits granted by the materialization power.
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Jul 27 2004, 03:45 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
[Homer voice]Mmmmm...sharks with lasers on thier heads....[/Homer voice]
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Jul 27 2004, 03:46 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
When I'm GMing, I treat it as layering for purposes of determining the effect, with worn armor always being halved regardless of the spirit's Force, but otherwise ignoring the Quickness and Combat Pool penalties.
Example: You channel a Force 3 Great Form spirit while wearing an Armored Vest with Plates. Incoming ballistic attacks would be reduced by 2 and impact attacks would be reduced by 1 before the Immunity to Normal Weapons would apply. That said, the rules never touch on this particular topic so it's always a house rule no matter what you come up with. EDIT: Cut out the part explaining Channeling and Immunity since the Herald beat me to it. :) |
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Jul 27 2004, 04:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
So, a mage in security armor who for some stupid reason channels a force 1 great form would have their armor value go down? |
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Jul 27 2004, 04:25 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Considering that I'd be the one GMing, it wouldn't be an issue because that just wouldn't happen. House rules are fun like that.
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Jul 27 2004, 05:26 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
I apply the hardened aspect first, just like any other time someone mixes normal and hardened armor. If you apply the soft armor first, you inadvertently give it the properties of hardened armor, so that there is no more point in saying "3 soft, 6 hardened". The way it works would be identical to the way 9 hardened works.
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Jul 27 2004, 02:40 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
True. I guess it boils down to: should it treat the whole thing as hardened armor? The drain involved in channelling invoked spirits is pretty severe, so you're pretty limited in the level of spirit that you can use. It would be a pretty rare mage that could actually invoke and channel a high enough spirit to actually make him invulnerable, and even then he'd probably pass out or die 10 minutes later when his channelling ran out. I'm at work and don't have the rules with me, but if I remember right:
I'm sure that I probably mixed some of that up. If anybody knows the Invoking+Channeling rules well, please correct me on the specifics. |
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Jul 31 2004, 08:05 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 10-May 04 From: Denmark Member No.: 6,318 |
You'll have to resist:
1. The normal drain (force) 2. Invoking drain ((2*force) -initiation grade) 3. Not sure on this!! Channeling drain ((2*force)- initiation grade) |
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Jul 31 2004, 08:25 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
That's pretty much it. However, Channeling Drain doesn't take place until the Channeling has come to an end, and you get to use all of your Conjuring and any foci dice for the test (and likewise get to use them all for the Channeling Test) since they take place at different times.
But yeah, there's three distinct Drain Tests and two of them are twice the Force of the spirit minus your Grade. Note also that while the Drain Test for Invoking and Channeling are against double the Force of the spirit, you still use the spirit's Force to determine the severity (Drain Level). So if a normal Force 2 spirit only invokes Light Drain on you, a Great Form Force 2 spirit will also only cause Light Drain... the only difference is the Power will be higher. |
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Jul 31 2004, 08:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 10-May 04 From: Denmark Member No.: 6,318 |
Neat little detail...
So a standard elven magian ( charisma 8)could relative easily conjure a force 4 spirit, invoke it and channel it, without reaching moderate. Or with some powerboosting (charisma 10(bonus attribute and exceptinel attribute- depends on the GM) a force 5 spirit, which make you invulnerabel to most firearms, except sniper rifles... Very neat, indeed... |
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Jul 31 2004, 08:55 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Well, Channeling always requires a Deadly Drain Test regardless of Force, but otherwise yeah.
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Jul 31 2004, 09:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 17-November 03 From: Texas Member No.: 5,828 |
I don't know how I just now saw this ... How is your base armor not now 9/4? |
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Jul 31 2004, 09:16 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Form-Fitting Body Armor doesn't give you the penalties for layering, but it's still layered. Since it's Ballistic Rating is lower than that of the jacket, it gets halved to +2 and the Impact Rating is also halved to +0 for the same reason. So that would put it at 7/3.
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Jul 31 2004, 09:17 PM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
When layering armor, you add half the next lowest (round down) armor values. 5/3 and layer 4/1 equals 5 + (4/2) = 7 and 3 + (1/2) = 3 for 7/3.
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Aug 1 2004, 04:47 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
I run it that Impact Armor is used when resisting Bows, not Ballistic Armor. |
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Aug 1 2004, 08:12 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
it is I believe |
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Aug 2 2004, 03:30 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
His house rule is that he runs it like they have it in the BBB. :D
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