 Well, this completely changes things., Ireland and Atlantis. O_o |
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677  |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5623857/?GT1=4529
:eek: If this isn't a plot hook or grounds for modifying/creating canon, I dunno what is. :| |
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Aug 8 2004, 02:36 AM
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Aug 8 2004, 02:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
Had a feeling someone had beaten me to it. :dead:
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Aug 8 2004, 08:41 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
If nothing else it'd explain why the elves took over the island first chance they got...
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Aug 8 2004, 08:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
I'm still sticking with the volcanic Mediterranean island theory of Atlantis.
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Aug 8 2004, 09:00 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Bah. As we all know, Atlantis is lost somewhere in the Pegasus galaxy.
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Aug 8 2004, 10:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 27-January 04 Member No.: 6,025 |
South Jersey. 8)
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Aug 9 2004, 02:29 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
This is beginning to veer wildly off-topic. Please keep it related to Shadowrun.
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Aug 9 2004, 03:11 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Finding out that Atlantis was, in fact, situated in New Jersey would have radical Shadowrun implications. To begin with, there'd be a cross-country stampede of heavily armed psychopaths ("shadowrunners") from Seattle to New Jersey. The NAN would probably protest the countless thousands of slaughtered border guards, military units, and bartenders who looked cross-eyed at the wrong runners. A bunch of snooty runners would get on the Matrix and sneer at all the unnecessary killing, trumpeting about how they managed to sneak past the border guards and non-lethally deal with the others. The really professional runners wouldn't say a thing, because that would be beneath them (figuratively and literally: they probably took a semi-ballistic flight across country.) How the UCAS responded to the NAN protests is debateable. Likely, it'd declare it had no knowledge of the activities of those criminals, which it mostly certainly did not hire or have any contact with. However, if UCAS authorities could separate out the runners from the average inhabitant of New Jersey, it would certainly extradite any such criminal to NAN authorities as part of its "Good Neighbor" diplomatic policies. The NAN would request clarification about what the UCAS meant by "any such criminal": runners who just slaughtered their way across NAN or inhabitants of New Jersey. The issue would be rendered moot when central police, military, and judicial databases in the assorted NAN member-states burned down in mysterious circumstances and the handful of captured runners disappeared from their jail cells. NAN diplomats would no longer be able to name individuals for extradition. And then, of course, the real fun would begin when illegal archeological digs in New Jersey began turning up Atlantean artifacts. |
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Aug 9 2004, 03:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,709 |
There's really no credible evidence to even suggest a place called Atlantis, or even just a place that closely matched the description of Atlantis, ever existed. There are so many crackpot theories out there, that it's easy enough to just pick one you like and run with it.
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Aug 9 2004, 04:17 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
"Atlantis" is already a fairly well-established crossover from Earthdawn. They simply haven't gone into it very much.
That's not to say that you can't still "just pick [a place] you like and run with it though." Lots of run potential in a team sent to exotic locations to investigate rumors or crackpot theories on the subject. |
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Aug 9 2004, 05:19 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Since we're speaking of Atlantis in Shadowrun, yes, there is an Atlantis. See: Earthdawn. ;) |
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Aug 9 2004, 06:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,709 |
I know there was an Atlantis in Earthdawn, but Shadowrun and Earthdawn do not perfectly overlap, nor is there anything official saying Shadowrun has to obey the history established in ED. You can cheerfully toss that book out, and it doesn't affect your individual game at all. I doubt Shadowrun will ever nail down Atlantis with any kind of specific information.
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Aug 9 2004, 06:12 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yes, in exactly the same way that you can cheerfully toss out Man and Machine, Portfolio of a Dragon, and both Seattle and New Seattle.
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Aug 9 2004, 06:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,709 |
See, those are actually Shadowrun products. Of course, you don't actually need those books either, but the difference between a Shadowrun product and an Earthdawn product is pretty clear. Shadowrun existed just fine before Earthdawn ever existed, so it's hardly necessary to go back and check your Earthdawn references just to run a Shadowrun game.
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Aug 9 2004, 06:49 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No, it's not necessary at all, and certainly takes a back seat to direct Shadowrun references, but it does mean that, even if it never shows up, Atlantis existed in the Shadowrun world (as they are the same).
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Aug 9 2004, 07:15 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Except for the numerous characters - dragons, elves and horrors - that show up in both settings. In fact, wasn't there a series of ED and SR novels that traced the life of one female elf and the horror that tormented her from ED to SR? |
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Aug 9 2004, 07:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
Oh yeah, although the only thing in English for it is Worlds without End.
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Aug 9 2004, 07:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
That's it, "Worlds Without End," centering on the IE "Aina." The two proposed ED books didn't get published in English due to waning ED popularity. |
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Aug 10 2004, 01:50 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it's worth pointing out, however, that there's been an official break between SR and ED--that is, stuff that happens in one system/game world won't necessarily be reflected in the other. granted, something as big as the existence/location of Atlantis (isn't that Thera, in ED?) probably won't differ.
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Aug 10 2004, 02:11 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Wasn't it already established that Thera was in the easter Med- I'm vaguely remembering a snippet about the Atlantean Foundation running an underwater dig and strip operation on a sunken Island out there?
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Aug 10 2004, 03:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 752 |
sure ireland fits plato's geographically description wonderfully if he omits the simple fact that Atlantis is sunk and Ireland isn't. maybe the IE chose Ireland because it reminded them of Atlantis but it just doesn't fit, you must acquit.
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Aug 10 2004, 03:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,709 |
Thera is a real island. It's in the Aegean sea.
Anyway, my point was simply that while there are obviously crossovers between Shadowrun and Earthdawn, those crossovers aren't exactly official, and they're mostly obscure or subtle. Were you to ignore something like the Earthdawn version of Atlantis, it really doesn't detract from Shadowrun, nor does it significantly deviate from the canon Shadowrun world, as Shadowrun most likely will never make any specific pinpoints of where Atlantis is or what it was like. |
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Aug 10 2004, 03:53 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
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Aug 10 2004, 09:53 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
With "Worlds Without End", the "Dragons of the Sixth World SB," thorn-sprouting elves, and drakes they're not "mostly" obscure and subtle anymore.
That I can agree with. History rarely matters to games with short-term focus, like many SR games. |
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