 Weapon Mounts, What do the rules say? |
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 Aug 17 2004, 11:30 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834  |
A while back I posted a Street Sam character with two external weapon mounts on one cyberlimb. I got replies saying the character was sad and houseruled, and I can't exactly see what I did wrong. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the rules somehow or there's something that alters them in another book.
The rules I used at the time are on Man and Machine page 40, which states that an external mount can hold up to an SMG (The character used SMGs), are placed on cyberlimbs, take up 3 ECU each, and act like a vehicle's fixed mount. It also says that if the guns are aimed in a non-intuitive manner, such as backwards off a shoulder, they get +2 to the ranged attack test. A cyberlimb has enough ECU, parallel to the forearm seems intuitive enough to me to work normally, and the weapon wasn't too large. I can't see where I houseruled anything. |
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Aug 18 2004, 12:02 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 8-July 02 Member No.: 2,947 |
Looking at the book, I don't see that you did, either.
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Aug 18 2004, 12:16 AM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Yeah, those are the rules. I don't think the guns retract though, so I don't see that being a very good idea.
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Aug 18 2004, 12:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 825 |
For the sake of completeness, here's the post in question, in its entirety:
Now, the resulting comment...
There's plenty in the first post, what with 3 guns being fired at once, using different ammo types, treating those as separate attacks for dodge purposes, etc., that could be considered house rules. The mounts themselves are fine, it's the overall use of them that's the question. However, the comment was later explained as being in direct reference to using the two mounts to be able to simultaneously fire at the same target as the gun in the hand. For those that want it, the original thread is here. Relevant posts are towards the end. |
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Aug 18 2004, 12:27 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
That was your "60+ bullets in a complex action" idea you are talking about?
The only contention I can remember would be the method for all the guns firing together. I think that firing a cybergun (internal or external) takes just as much of an action as firing a held gun. I do not make many cybermonsters, so I haven't checked those rules recently. From the role of GM, I would allow spraying with three guns on one arm, but all recoil applies to all the tests and all secondary weapons suffer a +2 TN penalty for not being the one you line up the shot with. This does still allow the high density cover fire. I suspect there is a work around so that you would get better results than my example above, but I don't remember them. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 201 Joined: 13-August 04 From: Fort Smith, Arkansas Member No.: 6,560 |
My little brother wanted to make a Street Samurai with a minigun that came out from his back and went over his head, resting on his chest. In theory, he's got a pretty good design and since the gun would be affixed to the front of him, the recoil would be lessened, though by no means accurate, lol. |
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Aug 18 2004, 05:33 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the use of different ammo types is not a houserule. he's simply loading each weapon with a different type of ammo; he's not mixing ammo types within a clip. retractable mounts are kosher as well; they cost +2 ECU. however, firing the weapons still requires a seperate action for each; you can't fire all 25 of your weapons at once.
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Aug 18 2004, 05:44 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Hmmm...I understand why this wouldn't be allowed, but....
You would think that with DNI, you could modify all three weapons to function as one. ...of course I never stuck with the 10 rounds maximum autofire either... |
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Aug 18 2004, 05:47 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
personally, i think it'd be fun to pack a drone brain, an autosoft interpretation system, and a sharpshooter autosoft into one of those cyberarms, and let it control the guns. issue commands through a headware computer with a Remote Control utility (or a headware cyberdeck, if you're a stickler for that sort of thing).
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