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post Aug 25 2004, 06:13 PM
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Someone asked the question in this thread http://invision.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=5047 about about how much continuous fire untill you damage a weapon barrell.

I thought this recent clip about the new XM8 Assault Rifle to replaces the M-16 was interesting:

Observations include:

• It's more versatile than the old M-16 rifle it will replace and should fire thousands of rounds before jamming, rather than the few hundred shots before the M-16 typically jams.

• It's much easier to clean and maintain.

• Training time is reduced since it's a single weapon that can be modified to fire short distances, long distances, launch grenades, etc.

• It should last longer, with barrels able to fire 15,000 rounds before being replaced rather than the 6,000 to 9,000 rounds it takes to wear out an M-16 barrel. Developers are trying to push the XM8 barrels to 20,000 rounds before replacement.

The XM8 will cost more to make initially, but should settle into a full-rate production cost of $600 to $700 a copy. That compares to $500 for the M-16 and $950 for the M4 carbine.

Source: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/...3/mn/mn01a.html
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post Aug 25 2004, 07:23 PM
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Please tell me thats not the actual picture of the weapon. Please. It looks like its made by Fisher Price. Baby's first assault rifle.
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post Aug 25 2004, 07:29 PM
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Oh geez, you're right. :eek:

Maybe it's to make it look less intimidating to the local population in urban environments...
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post Aug 25 2004, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (Necro Tech)
Please tell me thats not the actual picture of the weapon. Please. It looks like its made by Fisher Price. Baby's first assault rifle.

:P I kinda liked it.
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post Aug 25 2004, 07:50 PM
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Their design department has been watching too much deep space 9.
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)
Observations include:

[SNIP H&K SALES PITCH]

Heckler & Koch hired you on as a corporate shill or something? ;)
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:13 PM
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Actually that's a direct quote from the article, so I guess *they're* the corporate shills :D

Still, that can't possibly be the actual gun. Who would go into combat with a multicolored assault rifle that looks like it was made of plastic? It's got to be some kind of prototype.
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:14 PM
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And here I thought the IOCW looked silly, this thing looks like its cheep plastic! Dammit, an assault rifle is supposed to be SCARY, it shoots things. Nice to know what my tax dollers are going to...
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:19 PM
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I think the final version will be in the black & gray livery - http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (Lindt)
Nice to know what my tax dollers are going to...

Damn dangling participles! It's 'Nice to know where my tax dollars are going' or "Nice to know to what my tax dollars are going'

That said, this weapon is under development by H&K to sell to the government. None of your tax dollars are spent on it ... yet.
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (Luke Hardison)
That said, this weapon is under development by H&K to sell to the government.  None of your tax dollars are spent on it ... yet.

QUOTE (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m8-oicw.htm)
In October 2002 ATK (Alliant Techsystems) was awarded a $5 million contract modification from the U.S. Army Armament Research, Development, and Engineering Center (ARDEC), Picatinny, N.J., to develop the new XM8 Lightweight Assault Rifle.

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post Aug 25 2004, 08:25 PM
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A target that is too busy laughing to shoot back is a target that is easily killed.

Not the kind of victory you want made into a movie, but still victory.
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:43 PM
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If you watched the prototype firing videos released a while ago, the gun was simply plain black. The strange colors are either variations on environmental patterns (eg the brown and tan furniture possibly for desert deployment) or prototype coloring. No silly XM8 logo on the real thing, either. Past that, it's not exactly the best looking rifle I've ever seen and I do see the DS9 resemblance, but it's not quite that bad. Certainly not the hilarious looking ockup that once was the OICW.
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:48 PM
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Maybe the design is part of the "Look, killing people is just like a video game!" mentality they're going for nowadays with grunts.
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post Aug 25 2004, 08:50 PM
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Their design department has been watching too much deep space 9.

That, or they played too much Lazer Tag back in the 80's.
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post Aug 25 2004, 09:16 PM
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The sad part is that HK had originally planned a more angular, traditional look for the weapon, but the army actually requested this monstrosity. The old design was "too European", whatever the hell that means.
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post Aug 25 2004, 09:19 PM
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It may be an ugly rifle, but if it can deliver everything it's promising, I won't complain overmuch.

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post Aug 25 2004, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE (Siege)
...if it can deliver everything it's promising...

Bullets ?
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post Aug 25 2004, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE
Please tell me thats not the actual picture of the weapon. Please. It looks like its made by Fisher Price. Baby's first assault rifle.



It has a lot of the same design curves as the Fisher-Price cassette deck I had as a kid. Really, it reminds me of a Speak-and-Spell:

"Spell rata-tat-tat!"


RATATAT-TAT!
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post Aug 25 2004, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (TheScamp)
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Their design department has been watching too much deep space 9.

That, or they played too much Lazer Tag back in the 80's.

Oh, MAN, I miss the old Lazer Tag! Anyone remember the cartoon?
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post Aug 25 2004, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (FlakJacket)
QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll @ Aug 25 2004, 06:13 PM)
Observations include:

[SNIP H&K SALES PITCH]

Heckler & Koch hired you on as a corporate shill or something? ;)

I, for one, welcome our new assualt rifle overloads!
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post Aug 25 2004, 10:16 PM
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So what happens to the OICW? Totally scrapped or reserved for special forces or whatever?
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post Aug 25 2004, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (KillaJ @ Aug 25 2004, 11:16 PM)
The sad part is that HK had originally planned a more angular, traditional look for the weapon, but the army actually requested this monstrosity.  The old design was "too European", whatever the hell that means.

given the looks of the rifle and given that its HK that have made it i would say its a redesigned G36...
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figures, reading the world.guns.ru page (nice page that btw) its stated thats its a derivative of the G36. most likley its useing most of the same internal systems that the G36 does but with a redesigned exterior. atleast that would make most economic sense for HK. and why the fuck must the us military have its own design on that rifle? cant they just use the base G36?
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as for the oicw, i think it was just a experiment into next gen grunt weapon systems rather then a production design...

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err, again im talking before im reading. seems that the xm8 will be a steppingstone up to the xm29 OICW. atleast if the page linked to by nath can be trusted to have updated info...
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post Aug 25 2004, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE (FXcalibur)
So what happens to the OICW? Totally scrapped or reserved for special forces or whatever?

It was an unweildy, heavy beast of a weapon that tried to be a multi-round grenade launcher and assault rifle at the same time.

The XM8 streamlined things down to the assault rifle to replace the M16/M4. The grenade launcher would go to a single soldier in the squad, IIRC.
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post Aug 25 2004, 10:48 PM
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or just go underbarrel & singel shot just like what you have on the current m4/m16. from what i understand the forgrip is removeable to reveal attatchment points for stuff like that...
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