 NSRCG - PC Windows Character Generation Program, Bug reports, hints and tips for NSRCG |
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 Apr 27 2004, 08:51 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774  |
I've tried to make the program more crash resistant so that errors just force messages rather than 'blue screening'. That said, yes it is a possibility that I'll have to check (but I don't anticipate any issues). Maybe a field named "Notes" where things like Legality can be stored might be a better solution. I thought that I had removed the architype crash from this version. Do it still do that? If so, send me the SR3 file and I'll take a look at it. thx :) |
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Apr 27 2004, 09:08 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
I'd like to have a legality field AND a notes field added to each item type, come to think of it. Legality is the only standard number that isn't currently present, and notes would allow for future expansion. The only quesiton is whether or not this would affect characters created before the change. If it would cause them not to work, then I'd rather not go through a week's worth of .dat editing only to make everyone's lives harder ;)
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Apr 27 2004, 09:11 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Ah, it may not crash any more. I remember it crashing in February.
One other thing regarding Cybereyes, which I learned recently. The official way to handle options that exceed .5 essence is to select some options to be completely inside the eye, and the rest are completely outside the eye. For example, the Covert Ops Specialist described in the example on p. 61 has .80 total options, but only .48 fit inside, leaving .32 outside. NSRCG calculates it as if .50 fit inside and .30 outside. Just FYI. |
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Apr 27 2004, 09:48 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 8-April 04 From: Utah Member No.: 6,225 |
I have a minor request (at least it seems like a minor request, it may not be). Whenever there are lists with the + breakdown (equipment, cyberware, etc) it would be great to be able to expand the + with a key on the keyboard. I use the program on my laptop and its much easier to use the keyboard than have to try to get the mouse pointer over to the + to click on it.
Now this may already be possible, but I've tried everything I can think of to make it happen. |
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Apr 27 2004, 09:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
Oops, already posted.
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Apr 27 2004, 10:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
okay, it's already there but it is NOT intuitive. Hit the "+" key on num keyboard or on number row of main ->Expand Hit the "-" key on num keyboard or on number row of main ->collapse. :D |
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Apr 28 2004, 12:28 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Ooooooyeah! My dice are now officially retired.
It's even easier to make the players scared, when you don't have to keep idly rolling your dice on the table all the time -- I can just keep clicking on my screen and they'll never know when they're screwed. |
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Apr 28 2004, 04:18 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
Bug report: Purchasing spell points costs 25 nuyen instead of 25,000
It doesn't let you buy any points if you have less than 25k, but when it lets you, it only deducts 25 nuyen. This should be the latest version, and I'm running Windows XP. |
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Apr 28 2004, 10:53 PM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
Bug: having a bit of a problem adding a geas to my starting character. I'm getting a message saying you can't use geasea to increase your Magic attribute, but it's already down to 5 because of bioware. This kind of thing worked previously, but only when I added cyberware to the character; I think the program is using the Essence attribute to figure out if you can take a Geas instead of the Magic attribute.
Running version 3.65 in win2k |
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Apr 29 2004, 03:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 309 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,548 |
That probably has something to do with the fact that you can't geas magic loss from Bio, because it's "virtual magic loss" :please: .
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Apr 29 2004, 03:59 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Someone didn't read the errata.
~J |
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Apr 29 2004, 04:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 309 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,548 |
Whoa? Huh? What errata? WHERE?
(Excuse me, I haven't played SR in a looooong time.) |
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Apr 29 2004, 04:59 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Man and Machine errata. They did away with "virtual" magic loss; now you lose magic at 1/2 your Bio Index plus your full Essence Loss, rounded up. Two points Bio Index gives you one point of magic loss, geasable.
~J |
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Apr 29 2004, 05:58 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
Yeah, it kinda does away with the whole problem of bioware magic loss not being geasable while cyberware loss is. I thought that was kinda dumb myself.
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Apr 29 2004, 05:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 309 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,548 |
Wow. I had houseruled it that way...years ago.
Now I feel special. |
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 Apr 30 2004, 03:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
I thought this important enough (FYI) to post it again.
Would you please submit the details to me? There is no reason why the program would corrupt your friend's system. It makes only one entry in your registry for a OCX control ARProgBar.OCX. It uses an 'old' INI file so that settings never touch your registry for this information. Other than that it uses the usual MS VB DLLs and such. In other words, there should be NO WAY it would force a reformat :( I've had lots of installations (for over two years) and this is the first report of any causing a machine to need a reinstallation. As for the inaccuracies, please report them so that I can correct the program. In the event I cannot, I will generate a list so that GMs can search for them. I get this constant criticism based on the original program (and subsequent versions) but nobody (except those reporting bugs) is actually telling what's broken. I respond to all emails (so far). Given the inconsistent rules structures ("its this way except when you do/add this or..."(see Shapeshifters)), I'm surprised that it works as well as it does. Yes you can find thngs that are wrong (costs, etc) but given how large and complex SR is, I cannot find/fix them without help. I find those that critisize it the most are those who insist on a complete knowledge of the SR chargen rules before one is allowed to set pencil to paper. NSCRG allows for newbies to make absolutely horrrific characters with no gameplay balance and completely unbelievable backgrounds (my favorite example is how everybody's relations have all died, no brothers, no sisters, no father, etc .. no hooks). Please blame to tool ... educate the users. Is this equivalent to gun control where the belief that banning guns will reduce violence? :D Sorry for the venting but thank you for your attention. |
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Apr 30 2004, 03:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
And this:
Valid point. My intent with NSRCG was to stick to SR3 orthodoxy, that is "canon." Unfortunately, because of the differences in SR3, SR2, and various books, issues like this can occur. You'll note that usage of the module system (books) allows one to remove (mostly) material one wouldn't want in your game. Most of the house rules incorporated are "OPTIONS" allowing anyone to turn off / remove. The exception is the inclusion of BeCKS. That was due to its popularity (including its controversial free language, please bring that up with the author as I'm not him). Please, if you find an error, let me know (include book and page number) and I will fix. Many of the changes people want are non-canon i.e. elves shouldn't cost more than dwarves etc... The NSRCG is the results of many people working on the DAT files and suggestions for improvements (canon only, please). Rather than just gripe, help me to fix it. I understand that the guys/gals who have been playing for a long time "don't need no stinkin character generator." That's fine. However, the newer players who don't understand all of the complexities could benefit from a bit of hand holding. The CharGen found a number of arithmatic errors with the base Archetypes already and that was with people who created the system. In conclusion, it is simply a tool. And like any tool, it can be misused /abused and yes, even encourage min-maxing. That is where a strong GM comes in... Any GM who falls for "NSRCG allows it!" should have his/her examined. Knowledge of the rules including Character Creation is a requirement. Thank you for your time. |
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Apr 30 2004, 03:47 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Feature request: if it wouldn't be too difficult, any chance you could make spending points in point-build dynamic across skills and attributes? For instance, currently you have to allocate X points to skills and Y to attributes; if you decide later on that you want Z skills and AA attributes, you have to go back to the special allocation screen and reallocate instead of being able to, for instance, just drop two points of a skill and add one point to an attribute.
~J |
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May 3 2004, 03:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 10-February 04 Member No.: 6,068 |
Hi McMackie. This has always been something I didn't like as well, but I know you did it for a reason. Out of curiosity, why did you do it that way? Is it because that maps it to one of the non-points-based systems for internal purposes? Anyway, thanks for the prog, let us know how we can help. |
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May 3 2004, 10:10 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 16-March 02 From: Haifa, Israel Member No.: 2,387 |
McMackie, I sent you an email about integrating NSRCG and CCOC, with an attached demo app in VB (I hate this thing :)). Please take a moment to look at it. Changing a specific string from "CCOC.CcocServer" to "Valkyrie.ValkyrieServer" will allow you to access the Valkyrie Module using the same code. You will, however, have to wait another week for a new Valkyrie Module which is SIFF-compliant (SIFF ? Shadowrun Interchange File Format. People've been discussing it a year ago)
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May 4 2004, 03:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
I'll start looking at it... kinda of swamped but will try to make time. Slow down... I can't keep up :) "Captain, she's breaking up" |
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May 4 2004, 03:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
Okay, it should work now. Let me know if there is a problem. As to why I did it that way: Originally, the program only supported Priority based CharGen.. Period. When I added points-based, I wanted to keep the number of possible broken variables down so I kept the format / structure I had been using. Since then, I've updated / upgraded to a more Object-oriented schema but had never revisited my initial set of decisions. Note: this is only one way. If you want points subtracted from attributes to be placed in skills, it won't work (yeah, right) |
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May 4 2004, 03:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
I was unable to replicate this problem. Tested with my current version and it does use the new calculated essence = essence lost + 1/2 bioware cost. => rounded down equals initial magic rating. Tested in new character mode. If you doing something different, let me know or give me a copy of SR3 character file with steps to replicate <===== Note to all bug submitters. As for the 25 nuyen vs 25K nuyen bug, it should have been fixed earlier. What version are you using? NOTE TO ALL: New version posted: 3.66. |
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May 4 2004, 03:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
Current version supports the addition of empty fields ie check out Edge Weapons type 1 in the Gear.DAT file. You'll note that although fields are defined in the type definition and there are no actual fields in the data areas, the program does NOT crash. This will you to add (when you want to) the additional fields to the data. NOTE: this only works in GEAR.DAT. If you like (and after more testing), I can add it to the other DAT file formats. |
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May 4 2004, 03:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 243 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 774 |
I hear you but am having issues with this. This would require a mechanic to handle a notation for inside vs. outside the eye. The Valkyrie module program would be a better solution. I'm trying to work with Venndigram to let him handle the really 'complicated' issues like this. This is the classic container inside of container inside ... Frankly, I wanted the chargen to handle most (but not all) of the cyberware issues. For those of you building cyberzombies, you may need a something more .. sophisticated. (see above). Thanks for the info... Maybe I need documentation to note inconsistancies like this for the GMs. |
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