 Shadowrun d20 - will it ever happen?, also: SR in the d20 era |
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 Sep 22 2004, 06:53 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 202 Joined: 15-September 04 From: East Providence, RI Member No.: 6,664  |
I'm just getting back into SR after playing D&D 3ed for many years. I frequent other message boards, most notably ENWorld, and one of the common points of discussion is the conversion of SR to d20. The usual conclusion is that they are just too different for a successful conversion. Anyway, I was just wondering if anything like that had been discussed in here.
The most common motivation for the conversion is that the SR ruleset is too complex. While it is more complex, it's also what makes SR unique. I was also curious about how much experience anyone has with D&D or other d20 games. I've been pleasantly surprised to see SR and the community going strong since I've gotten back into it (after 10+ years of being away from it). |
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Sep 22 2004, 06:57 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Must...control...fist...of...death...
I think the general consensus around here regarding Shadowrun d20 is something along the lines of, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" For a variety of reasons. I, for one, regularly play and enjoy 'that other game'. It's a fun and easy system and is good for high fantasy settings. I am very interested to get my hands on a copy of d20 Future, but it could never, ever replace Shadowrun. |
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Sep 22 2004, 07:01 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Link can be found here, it's under the Miscellaneous section. |
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Sep 22 2004, 07:04 PM
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Jesus Freak Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,141 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Anaheim, CA Member No.: 6,274 |
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Sep 22 2004, 07:09 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
d20 shadowrun, all 519 very long messages of it.
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Sep 22 2004, 07:09 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
And Herpes!
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Sep 22 2004, 07:14 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
And...and...a really bad case of...uh...writer's block.
Ah, damn it! |
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Sep 22 2004, 07:15 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Yes, but we took her to the vet and got her some shots so that shouldn't happen again.
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Sep 22 2004, 07:18 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Gawd I hope SR don't go d20, I really liked SR cause it was so different from other RPG games, the way it uses dice as tests especially.
However, if it does, I probably wouldn't buy it and continue with what I've come to enjoy in SR. |
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Sep 22 2004, 07:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 30-March 04 Member No.: 6,206 |
While I do strongly believe SR needs a slicker and clearer ruleset, I don't think d20 is the way to do it, unless you're willing to modify it to the point where it can't really be called d20 anymore.
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Sep 22 2004, 07:26 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
I'm sure people have house-ruled d20 modern to allow for the SR genre.
Will Fanpro ever release a formal SR in d20 format? Probably not. As I understand it, the d20 market is already hitting saturation point and the big companies are scaling back their efforts in that arena. -Siege |
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Sep 22 2004, 07:37 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
I don’t think D20 SR could work.
The SR mechanics are tightly wound with the in character world view. Reaction improving cyber wear would need a Compleat rewrite the magic systems are unrecognisable and D20 doesn’t have any real facility for the degrees of success that are one of SRs strongest points. In spite of being a great fan of D&D I sincerely hope SR never gets converted. A homogeneous RP mechanic is highly undesirable. Edward |
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Sep 22 2004, 07:41 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
want to play elfs in cyberpunk with the d20 rules? ogl cybernet, d20 modern and get to town :)
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Sep 22 2004, 07:48 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
SR went D20 for one day last April 1st. We also got Elf Porn. It balanced out.
I could use more Elf Porn, though. |
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Sep 22 2004, 08:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 6-September 04 Member No.: 6,634 |
You can see my signature right above the "S" on that glorious and truthful cancer warning sign.
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Sep 22 2004, 09:38 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,784 Joined: 28-July 04 From: Cleveland, OH Member No.: 6,522 |
As hobgoblin suggested, it's trivial to duplicate the *game world* in d20. Between D20 Future, OGL Cybernet, and D20 Modern, it's just a matter of cutting and pasting what you want into the game.
However, it won't feel a damned thing like Shadowrun in play. Skills will probably transfer reasonably well. I don't think anything else would. |
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Sep 22 2004, 09:43 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
I would be a happy gammer if you replaced all the D20 with elf porn.Well, at that point,I wouldn't my saying fairy porn, cause that is what elves are..Hell you could get Ork and Troll porn too..Not saying that I want Ork or Troll porn, but some people do,and when it comes to porn, that is always room for more. |
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Sep 22 2004, 09:54 PM
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Jesus Freak Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,141 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Anaheim, CA Member No.: 6,274 |
With the number of Gamers out there that look like Orks and Trolls, I'm sure there is a demographic for it.
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Sep 22 2004, 10:01 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
You mean there are people with horns and dermal deposits all over their skin? (No, zits don't count.) |
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Sep 22 2004, 10:19 PM
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Guests |
If you're going to continue discussing D20 SR...
Why not just continue to fill up the old thread rather than fill up a new one? |
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Sep 22 2004, 10:23 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Because the old thread doesn't compare d20 to porn..And Frankly Porn wins.I mean really porn is just better.
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Sep 22 2004, 11:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 202 Joined: 15-September 04 From: East Providence, RI Member No.: 6,664 |
If I had known there was another thread, I probably wouldn't have started another. Sorry guys.
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Sep 22 2004, 11:32 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
I'm more a fan of D30 Shadowrun. That way all you have to do is multiply every TN and TN modifier by 5, reroll on 26-30, and have 1-5 always fail.
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Sep 22 2004, 11:43 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Don't forget modifiying Skills and Attributes as well. Hey, and Essence, and Magic Rating, and Bio Index, and... |
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Sep 22 2004, 11:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: 16-September 04 From: UK Member No.: 6,671 |
Ive thought about other settings that can be converted to shadowrun! Its a good solid system that all makes sense. Im not knocking D20 since I have little experience in it, but I certainly understand how it works. Character progression seems to be exponential in power which doesnt really happen in life.
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