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> Shadowrun d20 - will it ever happen?, also: SR in the d20 era
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post Sep 22 2004, 06:53 PM
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I'm just getting back into SR after playing D&D 3ed for many years. I frequent other message boards, most notably ENWorld, and one of the common points of discussion is the conversion of SR to d20. The usual conclusion is that they are just too different for a successful conversion. Anyway, I was just wondering if anything like that had been discussed in here.

The most common motivation for the conversion is that the SR ruleset is too complex. While it is more complex, it's also what makes SR unique.

I was also curious about how much experience anyone has with D&D or other d20 games. I've been pleasantly surprised to see SR and the community going strong since I've gotten back into it (after 10+ years of being away from it).
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post Sep 22 2004, 06:57 PM
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I think the general consensus around here regarding Shadowrun d20 is something along the lines of, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
For a variety of reasons.

I, for one, regularly play and enjoy 'that other game'. It's a fun and easy system and is good for high fantasy settings.
I am very interested to get my hands on a copy of d20 Future, but it could never, ever replace Shadowrun.
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (Shadowrun FAQ)
Are you going to publish a Shadowrun D20 system?
No. We have no interest in diving into the flood of D20 products since we are quite happy with the game system as it is. The Shadowrun system also does not mesh well with the character-class, hit-or-miss, no-levels-of-success D20 system.

Link can be found here, it's under the Miscellaneous section.
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:04 PM
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To quote Bull...

D20 Gives You Cancer
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:09 PM
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d20 shadowrun, all 519 very long messages of it.
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:09 PM
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:14 PM
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:15 PM
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:18 PM
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Gawd I hope SR don't go d20, I really liked SR cause it was so different from other RPG games, the way it uses dice as tests especially.

However, if it does, I probably wouldn't buy it and continue with what I've come to enjoy in SR.
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:18 PM
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While I do strongly believe SR needs a slicker and clearer ruleset, I don't think d20 is the way to do it, unless you're willing to modify it to the point where it can't really be called d20 anymore.
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:26 PM
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I'm sure people have house-ruled d20 modern to allow for the SR genre.

Will Fanpro ever release a formal SR in d20 format? Probably not. As I understand it, the d20 market is already hitting saturation point and the big companies are scaling back their efforts in that arena.

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post Sep 22 2004, 07:37 PM
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I don’t think D20 SR could work.

The SR mechanics are tightly wound with the in character world view. Reaction improving cyber wear would need a Compleat rewrite the magic systems are unrecognisable and D20 doesn’t have any real facility for the degrees of success that are one of SRs strongest points. In spite of being a great fan of D&D I sincerely hope SR never gets converted. A homogeneous RP mechanic is highly undesirable.

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post Sep 22 2004, 07:41 PM
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want to play elfs in cyberpunk with the d20 rules? ogl cybernet, d20 modern and get to town :)
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post Sep 22 2004, 07:48 PM
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SR went D20 for one day last April 1st. We also got Elf Porn. It balanced out.

I could use more Elf Porn, though.
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post Sep 22 2004, 08:31 PM
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post Sep 22 2004, 09:38 PM
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As hobgoblin suggested, it's trivial to duplicate the *game world* in d20. Between D20 Future, OGL Cybernet, and D20 Modern, it's just a matter of cutting and pasting what you want into the game.

However, it won't feel a damned thing like Shadowrun in play. Skills will probably transfer reasonably well. I don't think anything else would.
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post Sep 22 2004, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (Backgammon)
SR went D20 for one day last April 1st. We also got Elf Porn. It balanced out.

I could use more Elf Porn, though.

I would be a happy gammer if you replaced all the D20 with elf porn.Well, at that point,I wouldn't my saying fairy porn, cause that is what elves are..Hell you could get Ork and Troll porn too..Not saying that I want Ork or Troll porn, but some people do,and when it comes to porn, that is always room for more.
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post Sep 22 2004, 09:54 PM
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With the number of Gamers out there that look like Orks and Trolls, I'm sure there is a demographic for it.
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post Sep 22 2004, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (Ecclesiastes)
With the number of Gamers out there that look like Orks and Trolls, I'm sure there is a demographic for it.

You mean there are people with horns and dermal deposits all over their skin? (No, zits don't count.)
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post Sep 22 2004, 10:19 PM
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If you're going to continue discussing D20 SR...

Why not just continue to fill up the old thread rather than fill up a new one?
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post Sep 22 2004, 10:23 PM
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Because the old thread doesn't compare d20 to porn..And Frankly Porn wins.I mean really porn is just better.
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post Sep 22 2004, 11:26 PM
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If I had known there was another thread, I probably wouldn't have started another. Sorry guys.
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post Sep 22 2004, 11:32 PM
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I'm more a fan of D30 Shadowrun. That way all you have to do is multiply every TN and TN modifier by 5, reroll on 26-30, and have 1-5 always fail.
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QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm)
I'm more a fan of D30 Shadowrun. That way all you have to do is multiply every TN and TN modifier by 5, reroll on 26-30, and have 1-5 always fail.

Don't forget modifiying Skills and Attributes as well. Hey, and Essence, and Magic Rating, and Bio Index, and...
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post Sep 22 2004, 11:57 PM
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Ive thought about other settings that can be converted to shadowrun! Its a good solid system that all makes sense. Im not knocking D20 since I have little experience in it, but I certainly understand how it works. Character progression seems to be exponential in power which doesnt really happen in life.
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