 Aqua Samurai, New idea for a Sammy |
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 Sep 23 2004, 10:59 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Paris Member No.: 6,669  |
Well, i don't see them as really extendable, more like a basic but more efficient muscle replacement (a bit like the rams from CP2020, see what i mean ?)
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Sep 24 2004, 12:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 675 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 2,034 |
I could claim easily that high-temp tolerance requires something to eliminate heat, and is therefore impossible. The main mechanism for eliminating heat in humans is sweating, thus you need to constantly put in "water" every time you go empty on sweating materials. Actually heat is a physiologically harder problem for a large animal like a human, very hot environments are notable for their lack of large endothermic animals (camels don't live in the hottest deserts, they can just cross stretches of them, and they are pretty much top of the line), while in very cold ones large endothermic animals are very sucessfull (polar bears, reindeer, whales, seals, emperor penguins, etc live thier whole lives in the coldest parts of the world). Brown fat can more efficiently convert food to heat than some of the mechanisms adult humans use (eg shivering), and even adult humans have a small amount of brown fat (infants, bears, and squirrels have a lot more). In addition large parts of the body can be allowed to drop well below normal core temperature as long as they don't freeze without permenant damage, birds are very good about that. Some mammals can drop thier body temperatures by many degrees, remain somewhat active then raise it back up rapidly when necessary. The strategy in hot environments is to simply be inactive or to seek microclimates to avoid the heat (such as burrows). Humans are already one of the more heat tolerant large animals so we would also be more difficult to further optimize in that direction. Increased food intake in the cold would be a good side effect though. |
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Sep 24 2004, 12:35 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Releasing heat just puts out a higher spectrum thermographic signature, so you'd be easier to spot by Trolls/Dwarves/people with thermovision of some sort. Outside of that, it takes nothing. (Save sweating. Sweating is the body's natural way of cooling down quicker.)
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Sep 24 2004, 01:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 21-November 03 Member No.: 5,836 |
I'm thinking case fans for the body, and maybe a heat pipe/heat sink arrangement. Bu that's probably just because my home computer keeps overheating and I've been trying to cool it down.
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Sep 24 2004, 02:22 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
So you want an aircraft carrier for a metahuman? (Well, something that sounds like one, at least.)
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Sep 24 2004, 02:23 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
maybe a liquid cooling system. you could carry a fishtank around on your back, see...
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Sep 24 2004, 02:36 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Nah, man. Liquid nitrogen! Nothing like good ol' cooled N2 for your own enjoyment (and perverse pleasure).
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Sep 24 2004, 02:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 21-November 03 Member No.: 5,836 |
Back on topic there's some interesting stuff on aquatic gear done on the web for CP2020 which should convert relatively easily - I don't think I can dig it up due to my work's filter, but try searching for cp2020 and torpedo maybe...
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Sep 24 2004, 01:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
Well the idea i had in mind was more of a concept character
Well educated, eco-minded, associate professor (day job lvl2) working on his doctorate in Marine Biology. The sammy thing was a side line for his eco issues and tuition. I chose to go with high skills and attributes as opposed to high nuyen. I only took 200K nuyen. but the suggestion about the radio and transducer was good I think i might dump msucle replacements lvl 2 and get something else. |
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Sep 24 2004, 01:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897 |
Now that's how I'm going to subsidize my paltry grad student salary! :-D
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Sep 24 2004, 01:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
I told you it was a concept character!!!!! :grinbig:
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Sep 24 2004, 01:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
if i were to get comm gear what do i need other than the transducer?
Commlink or Radio? Which one can both send and receive transmissions? |
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Sep 24 2004, 04:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 675 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 2,034 |
Absorbing heat could raise it up, both are pretty much themodynamic nonsense though. Any cold environment is going to be colder than our bodies, any hot one hotter than our bodies. You can get a bit of benefit from things like that when in a cold, but sunny environment, or if you were overheating due to excercise in a relatively cool environment. Our bodies already radiate whatever heat they can when overheated, and there isn't much you can do to a hairless animal with pretty large surface area to volume to make it radiate more. SOTA 2063 talks about increasing blood flow to the skin, but really we already do that, thats why one gets flushed when hot. Similarly we reduce blood flow to the skin when cold. Heh, the best part is that low temperature tolerance is in sota 2063, I just didn't remember it. |
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Sep 26 2004, 09:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
I don't see a laser designator as your best option. The deeper you go underwater, you lose some of the color spectrum. Maybe your guy won't go that deep though, or maybe it wouldn't affect functionality. Red is the last color you'd want though, as it is one of the first in the spectrum to be absorbed. I was diving in Hawaii with a buddy who cut his hand and bled green. I made sure to check if his ears were pointy when we got back up! 8) |
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Sep 26 2004, 10:22 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Laser may be bad, but are the others really absorbed/diffused less quickly?
~J |
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Sep 26 2004, 10:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 897 Joined: 26-February 02 From: TIME OUT Member No.: 1,989 |
college student by day, dolphin ninja by night
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Sep 26 2004, 10:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
dunno, but it seems to me that they must have something planned for it, considering that's gotta be a large part of the market for the weapon. |
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Sep 27 2004, 04:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 21-November 03 Member No.: 5,836 |
Actually there's a product on the market that rapidly lowers the body's temperature by circulating cold water through a glove. The body's heat-exchange is far from optimally designed, and I'd think there would be a lot of little things you could do to improve it. Things get more interesting when the ambient temperature is higher than the body's, I agree, but provided you had an insulated reserve of some heat absorbing substance you could still probably cool yourself in the short term. |
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Sep 27 2004, 04:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 11-September 04 From: French Runner Member No.: 6,652 |
How about a set of Magnetic Anchors to scale boat hulls for boarding operations ? Or a powerful Optical Laser to breach the hull?
I guess that the Ultrasound sight used for sonar purposes would need a Rangefinder which is basically an ultrasound beam with a module to interpret the echo and calculate the distance... |
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Sep 27 2004, 04:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 30-March 04 Member No.: 6,206 |
Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but a Colt Water Carbine might be a good weapon - an SMG for underwater use, and easier to get than the gyrojet, IIRC.
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Sep 27 2004, 07:53 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Yeah, but that's a bit iffy from what I remember. Don't really know much about firearms, but whenever the thing has come up in discussions people that I respect on the issue haven't been all that impressed IIRC.
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Sep 27 2004, 08:19 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
from what i know about firearms--less than Raygun, more than FlakJacket--it's a decent concept. ceramic and corrosion-resistant metal components, water-sealed magazine and magazine well (water won't keep the ammo from being fired, but god only knows what polluted water might do, ergo you want to keep your ammo away from the water as long as possible), overengineered action to compensate for water resistance. the main problem with firing weapons underwater that i'm aware of is that the water resistance can slow the cycling action down, making the gun jam more often; also, in the longer term, dunking your weapon means more corrosion, also leading to more jamming.
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Sep 27 2004, 08:39 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
A gyrojet pistol's avail is 4/48 hours. By comparison, a water carbine is 5/48 hours.
~J |
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Sep 27 2004, 08:49 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Not that difficult. Point the end with the hole in it at the other other guy and keep pulling the trigger until it stops going bang and then reload pretty much sums it up for me. ;) |
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Sep 27 2004, 09:24 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
haha, yeah. s'what i figured when i said that.
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