Worst Min Maxing ever, To stop the bastards before they start Options

[HMHVV Hunter]

[Wutasumi]

It's just easier. 123 kinda gets annyoing. I either use 120 or 130.

BTW: How do you get people to stop using ammesia as a easy flaw so they don't have to write backgrounds AND get points without killing it?

[HMHVV Hunter]

There's a really good online article about what munchkinism is and isn't:

http://www.geocities.com/poetess47/ooc14.html

Check it out; it's really interesting.

[Nikoli]

I tend to stick to 123 and 125. One thing I've noticed though, with the expanded rules in MJLBB for the modified Low and High power campaigns, the Phys ad gets shafted (in the high power) or unfairly compensated.
There is no provision for extra power points in the high power game, so they start with the same 6, while the street same gets built with the 2 million which allows for even more and cheaper essence cost cyber along with additional guns and bioware.
There is no way for an adept to reduce the price of their powers (though I'm kicking around an edge that has 3 levels, at 3 points per level. Level 1 gives the same discount on Adept powers as Alpha ware, Level 2 is beta and level 3 is delta. That's a 9 point Edge)

[Wutasumi]

Munchkinism: Adj: Stupid player asshats who make ungodly characters so that he does everything so other people do nothing. But he only does it to get his next l33t p0\/\/3r.
At least that's mine.

[Tanka]

Nikoli, there's a way to reduce cost for powers. You can effectively have 8 points of powers by geasing all of them (new power cost is 75% of original).

Why not let the Adept take 2mil and buy "spell points" which he can then use for Initiation?

[Nikoli]

Well, given that most of the games I've witnessed , very rarely does it last more than a few sessions, so there is no reward for making a character capable of growth through years of play. Personally, I'd like to have a campaign last for a year or two with regular weekly sessions, but that just isn't happening in my area (or even on the boards )

[Nikoli]

Because I never agreed with the spell point = initiation concept. spells, sure, foci, sure, but not initiation.

[Wutasumi]

The reward is the knowledge that you arn't being a dick. And if you get into a lucky game that lasts more then one session, YAY!

[Kagetenshi]

I stick to 128 build points. 64 is too little and 256 is too much.

~J

[Herald of Verjig...]

[blakkie]

EDIT: Somehow i got this post into the wrong thread.

[mighty]

I have seen many munchkins, but they always have their kryptonite. I don't mind min/maxing things in my game, as long as they roleplay their advantages correctly. Yes the troll with the massive strength that gets foot swept and a broken neck. Never underestimate the need for kip up or ground fighting. He thought he was invincible until I had to teach him a lesson. :D

[Req]

[Shockwave_IIc]

[toturi]

I do not take down munchkins in their area of expertise (at least not deliberately). I take them down through their weaknesses. A maxed out troll munchkin is talked down by an NPC (see? you lost your opposed Etiquette roll and now you are working for free), a Face is shot (and can't stage down).

The scariest munchkins in my games are those that cover their asses or use game mechanics to help cover their weaknesses. They have weaknesses that are difficult to exploit like Liar combined with Braggart and Hung out to Dry. Or an Attribute of 3 (just so that you can't roll against a TN of 2), etc.

[Wutasumi]

How is hung out to dry hard to do? He can't talk to anyone he knows.

Lying braggarts you just have them tell a few tall tales... then a corp thinks they are a huge threat because Jhonny Boy thought they were true... STRIKE TEAM!

[toturi]

Actually, by the book, the cop/corp WILL know it is a tall tale. Like, "So there I was minding my own business, then suddenly... Lowfyr!"

Since Liar requires you to "lie" to a Contact, having been Hung out to Dry is good, since there is nobody for you to "lie" to.

[Wutasumi]

Hmm...

Damn... Didn't know that. I'm getting my BBB back in a week.

Umm... well, if he brags, then if he just ran a run aganst that corp... STRIKE TEAM!

[Fortune]

[Wutasumi]

Won't the corp notice that his story matches what happened to them, including the stuff not released to the press?

Besides, do you really think the CEO of the corp PERSONALY knows the character enough to know he is a liar? He'll just hear that a co-worker heard some fragger who knows everything about a job, and was bragging about how he did it.

[Kagetenshi]

That's not how the flaw works. The point of the flaw is that the character is somehow so sleazy that almost anything they say is treated as a lie unless corroborated by immediate and incontrovertible evidence, and even then they'll probably be regarded with suspicion.

It doesn't matter if the character never tells a lie.

~J

[Wutasumi]

[Kagetenshi]

You're right, it might get his arse nailed if anyone actually repeats the pack of lies. You were still incorrect in your interpretation of how the flaw worked.

~J

[Wutasumi]

True, but its about all I can think of to do to nail the Braggart/Liar combo.

I suppose you COULD say that you can't take both, sciting that being a braggart means that you auto take that flaw, thus removing a few flaw points...

But then being a braggart wouldn't mean shit...