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 Oct 19 2004, 07:10 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 23-August 04 From: Guelph Member No.: 6,590  |
Elves live for a super long time right? So at what age do they reach adulthood? Same for orks (well the other way around though).
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Oct 19 2004, 07:13 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I believe that elves reach physical maturity at approximately the same age as humans, but at age 25 or so their aging just stalls out for a few hundred years. Orks, on the other hand, develop somewhat more quickly and are physically adults in their mid-teens. UCAS law makes no special exception for this, however, and so they still have to wait until they're approaching middle age to legally buy alcohol.
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Oct 19 2004, 07:15 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Allow me to reiterate what I always say when this thread comes up.
Elves live as long as you want them to, as GM. There is no official ruling on their 'maximum age'. Several studies have said they will live for extremely long times, and several other studies have said that this is untrue, and the first studies were tainted by Tir political interests. In short - you, as the GM, decide if they live a long time or not. |
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Oct 19 2004, 07:16 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 23-August 04 From: Guelph Member No.: 6,590 |
Hahaha poor orks. I was wondering about the elves cause in D&D they reach maturity at like 90, so all the elves in SR would still be little kids :S
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Oct 19 2004, 07:31 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
There are other issues for the orks, besides buying alchohol when they are reaching the mid-life crisis. They must be "older" to drive, vote (when possessing a SIN), and many other age related privaledges.
Personally, i think the various government bodies should allow for changes in the law based on meta type. for humans, driving age variances from 15 to 21 in some place mean relatively little, but that's a huge amount of life-time for an orc. |
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Oct 19 2004, 07:37 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 23-August 04 From: Guelph Member No.: 6,590 |
hmmmm... what is the legal age for UCAS, did they inherit the Canadian laws (19 in some places 18 in others, like here :D ) or the US laws (21)?
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Oct 19 2004, 07:41 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
According to the Sprawl Survival Guide, 21 is still the legal drinking age. |
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Oct 19 2004, 09:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897 |
According to ED, elves reach physical maturity at a comparable age to humans. Then again, I suppose mana levels were different. (Just discovered a "limitted edition" ED book in the stash from Propwash. Of course, the # ________ out of 1000 field has been left empty, and the blinkin' thing is unbound, but aside from that, it's a very servicable book, and binding-wise no worse than my BBB)
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Oct 19 2004, 11:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 3,348 |
Well, based on the population figures for SoNA and SoE, it appears that either a lot more than 10% of the population turned into elves in 2011, or elves have a lifespan comparable to Orks. But Adarael summed it up best. The important thing to remember is none of the metahumans have been alive long enough to determine average lifespans, even without considering things like subspecies, the effects of goblization, or rising magic levels. |
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Oct 19 2004, 11:46 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Almost Elves (and Dwarves) were born. They did not goblinize in the same manner as Orcs and Trolls. A (very) few elves were born before the awakening, but they didn't 'change' in 2011. |
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Oct 20 2004, 12:13 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
And [elves and dwarves] continued to be born from humans until Goblinization in order to explain the current numbers, which seems sensible to me. |
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Oct 20 2004, 12:18 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
And still do to date, only to a much lesser extent.
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Oct 20 2004, 02:43 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Elves and Orks have it tough with kids. The former have pregnancies lasting 360 days with a greater likelyhood of twins; and the latter often give birth to four or more kids at once!
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Oct 20 2004, 02:47 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
And you can imagine the ovulation period of a mature elf must occur at a lower frequency than humans for them to produce young well into their hundreds. I wonder if Tir encouraged elves to procreate at a young age in order to pump up their numbers. |
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Oct 20 2004, 02:54 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I'm sure they definitely do not advocate birth control. ;)
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Oct 20 2004, 03:14 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
How old do the oldest elves with conformable birth dates look. I think it is young enough that you have to confirm they live longer than humans.
Edward |
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Oct 20 2004, 03:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 3,348 |
Sorry about my unclear wording, I understand they were born elves or dwarves in 2011.
The idea of more elves and dwarves being born that way in the succeeding decade helps explain the numbers for the elves, though I don't recall anything like that being mentioned in the books. But they do say people continue to Goblinize. Unless those numbers are radically smaller than the number of elves and dwarves born to human parents, we're still left with the question of why so many elves. But if more people are born elves and dwarves than Goblinize, it makes the missing dwarf problem even worse. Elves are supposed to be longer lived than dwarves, yet there are 3 elves for every 2 dwarves. The most logical conclusions of that are that a drastically higher percent of people turned into elves than dwarves or that dwarves have longer lifespans than elves. Then there's the missing troll problem. Their numbers are so tiny that either over half of them did not survive the process of Goblinization, or they're breeding as such a slow rate that they must all be immortal. |
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Oct 20 2004, 03:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 3,348 |
They've backed off on that since 2nd edition. In addition to the unlikeliness of a species bearing a minimum of twice the number of offspring it can nurse, there's also the missing ork problem that leads to. With birth numbers of 4 or more, orks should be 40-50% of the world population, not 11-12%. If you go with the 4+ birth rate, you have to explain where 3,000,000,000 plus orks disappeared to. |
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Oct 20 2004, 03:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 8-October 04 Member No.: 6,736 |
Two words: infant mortality. With twice as many babies as nipples, and ork mother would probably loose the two runtiest ones right there. Living in places like the Seattle Ork Underground can't help either; I'm sure that malnutrition and disease probably claim a disproportionate number of infant orks. It is a good thing that they backed it down to a simple "orks have a high incidence of multiple births" implying that twins rather than quadruplets are the norm. |
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Oct 20 2004, 04:03 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Officially, goblinization has dropped off dramatically. So much so that in the '60s it is considered quite a rarity, almost on a par with cross-race births.
Both the births of elves and dwarvs, and goblinations of orcs and trolls occured for quite a while, dropping off slowly since 2021. There are a number of factors that keep the Orc population down. For example, Orcs have a high infant mortality rate, and this is compounded by the fact that most live at or below the poverty line. A fair portion of Orcs are SINless, giving them limited to no access to medical services. The areas they normally inhabit are less than safe, and usually suffer from inadequate security. The short lifespans also come into play. |
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Oct 20 2004, 04:04 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
There's a good quote in "Threats" about why the Ork population is higher than reported: "Orks give birth in litters of four to eight. Go to Puyallup sometime and look in a window - you'd never believe how many orks can fit in one rowhouse. Also, lots of orks don't live long enough to get counted in a census, and most of them are SINless." |
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Oct 20 2004, 02:02 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Who needs encouragement? With all those +2 Charisma's walking around, it's a miracle anyone gets any work done! |
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Oct 20 2004, 02:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 3,348 |
The problem is the entire population of both Tirs explains only about 25% of the excess elves. BTW, anyone else notice that based on population percents, the Tirs are less other metahuman friendly than anywhere but Switzerland? |
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Oct 20 2004, 03:57 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
The standard 10% of elves is thrown off in Ireland and the Pacific Northwest, which had unusuallyhigh numbres of UGE (supsicionsabout which abound in some corners).
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Oct 20 2004, 05:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Fomorian Wastes Member No.: 6,538 |
Flame me if I am wrong, but doesn't the BBB state that the life expectancies for meta-humanity is based on the average time they stay alive including all the environmental factors, not lifespan per se. This means orks and trolls die faster not live shorter.
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