Elves live for a super long time right? So at what age do they reach adulthood? Same for orks (well the other way around though).

I believe that elves reach physical maturity at approximately the same age as humans, but at age 25 or so their aging just stalls out for a few hundred years. Orks, on the other hand, develop somewhat more quickly and are physically adults in their mid-teens. UCAS law makes no special exception for this, however, and so they still have to wait until they're approaching middle age to legally buy alcohol.

Allow me to reiterate what I always say when this thread comes up.

Elves live as long as you want them to, as GM. There is no official ruling on their 'maximum age'. Several studies have said they will live for extremely long times, and several other studies have said that this is untrue, and the first studies were tainted by Tir political interests.

In short - you, as the GM, decide if they live a long time or not.

Hahaha poor orks. I was wondering about the elves cause in D&D they reach maturity at like 90, so all the elves in SR would still be little kids

There are other issues for the orks, besides buying alchohol when they are reaching the mid-life crisis. They must be "older" to drive, vote (when possessing a SIN), and many other age related privaledges.

Personally, i think the various government bodies should allow for changes in the law based on meta type. for humans, driving age variances from 15 to 21 in some place mean relatively little, but that's a huge amount of life-time for an orc.

hmmmm... what is the legal age for UCAS, did they inherit the Canadian laws (19 in some places 18 in others, like here ) or the US laws (21)?

According to ED, elves reach physical maturity at a comparable age to humans. Then again, I suppose mana levels were different. (Just discovered a "limitted edition" ED book in the stash from Propwash. Of course, the # ________ out of 1000 field has been left empty, and the blinkin' thing is unbound, but aside from that, it's a very servicable book, and binding-wise no worse than my BBB)

And still do to date, only to a much lesser extent.

Elves and Orks have it tough with kids. The former have pregnancies lasting 360 days with a greater likelyhood of twins; and the latter often give birth to four or more kids at once!

I'm sure they definitely do not advocate birth control.

How old do the oldest elves with conformable birth dates look. I think it is young enough that you have to confirm they live longer than humans.

Edward

Sorry about my unclear wording, I understand they were born elves or dwarves in 2011.

The idea of more elves and dwarves being born that way in the succeeding decade helps explain the numbers for the elves, though I don't recall anything like that being mentioned in the books.

But they do say people continue to Goblinize. Unless those numbers are radically smaller than the number of elves and dwarves born to human parents, we're still left with the question of why so many elves.

But if more people are born elves and dwarves than Goblinize, it makes the missing dwarf problem even worse. Elves are supposed to be longer lived than dwarves, yet there are 3 elves for every 2 dwarves. The most logical conclusions of that are that a drastically higher percent of people turned into elves than dwarves or that dwarves have longer lifespans than elves.

Then there's the missing troll problem. Their numbers are so tiny that either over half of them did not survive the process of Goblinization, or they're breeding as such a slow rate that they must all be immortal.

Officially, goblinization has dropped off dramatically. So much so that in the '60s it is considered quite a rarity, almost on a par with cross-race births.

Both the births of elves and dwarvs, and goblinations of orcs and trolls occured for quite a while, dropping off slowly since 2021.

There are a number of factors that keep the Orc population down. For example, Orcs have a high infant mortality rate, and this is compounded by the fact that most live at or below the poverty line. A fair portion of Orcs are SINless, giving them limited to no access to medical services. The areas they normally inhabit are less than safe, and usually suffer from inadequate security. The short lifespans also come into play.

The standard 10% of elves is thrown off in Ireland and the Pacific Northwest, which had unusuallyhigh numbres of UGE (supsicionsabout which abound in some corners).

Flame me if I am wrong, but doesn't the BBB state that the life expectancies for meta-humanity is based on the average time they stay alive including all the environmental factors, not lifespan per se. This means orks and trolls die faster not live shorter.

10% is a rough, worldwide average. It was closer to 40% or higher in Tir na nÓg and other places. There are probably areas that had few or no elves born, and some areas that had higher rates of Goblinization. Then, of course, there's not including the "misscarriages" in certain countries.

Look, numbers are hard to go by, but in addition to high UGE rates, you have to count migration policies: the area that would be Tir Tairngire was mostly devoid of anglos after the NAN formed, except for the Sinsearch and the Ceneste, which were all elven. When Tir Tairngire formed, a lot of the remaining humans were booted out, and there was a mass influx of metahumans, especially elves. Since then, humans, dwarfs, orks, and trolls have faced varying degrees of "Get the fuck out."

Likewise, keep in mind that most of the "official" numbers do /not/ take into account the SINless. There could be an above-average number of Goblinized in the Tirs but none of 'em show up on an official census, as opposed to those cute pointy-ears.

Do elves breed like bunnies? Maybe. I dunno.

See, I figure the reason the Pacific Northwest has so damn many elves (Hell, Tir Tairngire /and/ the Sinsearch /and/ the Manitou?) is that a few of the IEs like Aithne Oakforest got stuck in the Americas during the downcycle, and you know how those things go when you're bored and lonely...

While this totally fails to address issues of racial demographics, Earthdawn said elves live an average of 300 years, so I'd just go with that for the getting old thing.