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For Echolocation, I went the Daredevil route too. I assumed that as long as there's enough noise, he can see. So yes, he can tap his sword on the ground, or just use the sound from people talking. If it's really quiet, I guess he could get a metranome! I just really like the blind swordsman idea when he can hear you enough to kill you.
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Oct 21 2004, 04:19 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Though for the full DD experience, you need a really high enhanced hearing, smell, touch, taste and balance.
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Oct 21 2004, 04:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
You mean there were comics and stuff?!?!
Seriously, I'm getting to the point where I give up tracking what came first and when and what is different. Hell, I only know them all from cartoons anyway. |
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Oct 21 2004, 04:30 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
kids, these days.
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Oct 21 2004, 04:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
What do you mean kids? I'm ancient... well okay I'm only 25, but I think it's old :o)
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Oct 21 2004, 04:38 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
incidentally, i made a blind physmage without resorting to astral sight. she melees unarmed at +1 TN, and melees with her mankiri-gusari at -1 TN (depending on how she allocates reach).
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Oct 21 2004, 05:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Okay, looks like something else I don't know - what do you mean by allocating reach? AFAIK, reach affects your target numbers by the total difference. Are you saying that's changed as well?
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Oct 21 2004, 05:05 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
reach can either be used to lower your TN, or raise your opponent's TN. or, if your reach is 2+, you can split it--lower yours by 1, raise theirs by 1.
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Oct 21 2004, 05:16 PM
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Keep in mind that only the person with the net reach gets to allocate it. So, if you had the whip up against someone with a Katana, the net reach (1) would be in favor of the guy with the whip. The guy with the Katana can't allocate any reach.
On a slightly related note, what is that 'Draw Weapon' spell your phys-mage has, mfb? |
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Oct 21 2004, 05:18 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
custom spell.
Draw Weapon TN 6, Drain L, Touch This spells draws the targeted weapon and places it in the character's hand, ready for use. If the caster has a held action and is attacked in melee, this spell can ready his weapon in time for use in a counterattack. Only 0.25kg of material per point of Force may be affected with this spell; if the targeted weapon is too heavy, the spell fails. Melee Sense TN Variable, Drain L, Touch This spell detects melee attacks directed against the subject. Successes on the spellcasting test provide bonus combat pool die for use in counterattacking and resisting damage from melee attacks. |
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Oct 21 2004, 05:35 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 12-September 04 Member No.: 6,654 |
I see.
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Oct 21 2004, 07:39 PM
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well I didn't read the whole thread... but in my games I allowed adepts to take ultrasound vision... because bats also use ultrasound... but the adept has to take imp. sense: high frequ. hearing, imp.sense: high frequ. vocals....
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Oct 21 2004, 09:16 PM
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There are actually two canon problems with that. First, HF Voice isn't a sense. 'Sides, without a constant source of HF sound, the image would not be "real-time." Secondly, Ultrasound Vision requires technology to function. What someone sees with it is a computer generated overlay that translates the differences in the reflection into a visual representation. Thus, it's not a valid choice for the Imp. Sense power. |
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Oct 21 2004, 09:19 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
no one is going to be convinced, on either side, by more arguing. let's talk about something less flammable, like politics.
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Oct 22 2004, 01:37 PM
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I must disagree with you there, I see no need for any technology, bats don't have little computer chips in their heads, right? Everything else, you're absolutely right: you'd need to keep "screaming" in HF (like a bat does) and HF Voice certainly isn't a "sense". |
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Oct 22 2004, 01:39 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Could use the bone shape power to alter your vocal cords (they are cartelage, a form of bone) to allow you to emit a HF pulse. After all, you can use the power to speak Or'Zet without penalty
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Oct 22 2004, 03:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
Or'zet is spoken around tusks and such, it's not the same as altering the larynx itself to produce a different wavelength of sound.
Wrong. A bat does have a chip in their heads... or more accurately they have naturally occuring bioware... their heads are wired to allow them to process the data and generate the picture. Unfortunately, metahuman brains aren't, and just cos you can generate it then you'll have a problem. Take away the rule prohibiting IS being used for Ultrasound Vision, you also have the problem where the brain needs to be given additional firmware. Perhaps a dedicated power could be used to explain this, such as IS: High frequency hearing as a prerequiste and then take the Echolocation people have mentioned. But for 0.25 power points I ain' tnever gonna allow that, and with any luck it'll be ammended in the next printing of the rulebook. And as I found out last night, ultrasound vision does have it's drawbacks - especially when someone has a ultrasound detector and an emitter.... :o( |
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Oct 22 2004, 03:43 PM
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Right. In much the same fashion, a normal human also can't see with low light, thermo, punch through a car door, leap 10+ meters nonchalantly, boost his strength to inhuman levels, sense danger with supernatural ability, yadda yadda yadda. That's why some people are "normal metahumans" and some people are "Adepts." I say Ultrasound's allright, if someone's willing to invest two "senses" worth of power points for it -- one to emit, one to receive. |
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Oct 22 2004, 03:50 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Also, there are studies being conducted to see if the blind can be taught to interperet sounds similair to echolocation.
I saw a segment on TV a few months ago (I know, not exactly the most trustworthy of sources) where a school for the blind was experimenting with using a clicker device to provide the "emitter" and several students were able to identify a vine covered wall as different from empty space, etc. So I see no reason why an adept couldn't be able to do the same thing, but better. Not to mention adepts in concept are loosely based on the wild antics of Kun-fu movies and legends. how many movies have included a blind swordsman who could hear everything around him, could strike opponents without issue? It fits the genre for the archtype, all it needs is an official writeup for a power. |
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Oct 22 2004, 04:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
Actually, I beg to differ here. The human brain doesn't need to process those senses, they're a product of the sensor. The retina has more cones/more sensative cones, or modified cones which detect light in the IR spectrum. They do the processing, simply by doing what they normally do - which is emit an elecrical impulse whenever they detect light above a certain threshold. It's not hard to make a 'low light' eye, and making a 'thermographic eye' is probably just as easy if not easier. But with ultrasound vision, you need to generate the sonic pulses, and you have to interpret them when they come back. Sonar software is very complex and interpreting the data those systems send back is a steep learning curve, and ultrasound scanners used to scan pregnant women are also fairly complex in their processing. I'm not saying the human mind can't process this info, but I seriously doubt it's a measly 0.25 power points, and I'd also be very surprised if it's not a 1 point modification to the body. It's a sticky one, but one which has been ruled on by the FAQ guys and will most likely be in the latest updated books etc. |
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Oct 22 2004, 10:10 PM
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Two!! Next you'll be suggesting that someone who gains a Magic 1 point and becomes an Adept has to pay karma for the privilege beyond the Initiation cost!! |
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