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SR3, Astral Combat Tests, p 174
"Use the melee combat rules (p 120) to make attacks. The character may attack using an armed combat skill if armed with a weapon focus, Unarmed Combat if not, or Sorcery in place of either skill."

"Anyone with Magic 1 can use the skill while fighting on the astral anyway. If anything, that should be split into a new skill and to this day I honestly don't know why it's covered by Sorcery."

This discussion will concentrate on the issue presented posing that Sorcery is, not only a little confusing of a choice, but also inconsistent with the rest of the rules when used as an Astral Melee substitute.

There are two questions, at least, that should be asked:

1) Should Sorcery even exist as an Astral Melee variant skill at all? Why/Why not?

2) Should Astral Melee have a seperate listing of the mundane melee skills?(perhaps like B/R skills) Why/Why not?
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- Stumps   Astral Melee & Sorcery   Oct 29 2004, 07:58 AM
- - OurTeam   It seems strange to me to use Sorcery Skill for As...   Oct 29 2004, 08:15 AM
- - Jason Farlander   I think of using sorcery for astral combat as bein...   Oct 29 2004, 08:38 AM
- - OurTeam   I like that, Jason. That helps explain why an allo...   Oct 29 2004, 08:39 AM
- - Stumps   Yes it would explain that. So it makes good sense...   Oct 29 2004, 10:06 AM
- - Kagetenshi   That idea breaks down somewhat when you realize th...   Oct 29 2004, 11:59 AM
- - Stumps   I don't think I'm getting you clearly. Co...   Oct 29 2004, 12:07 PM
- - Kagetenshi   If you're creating an attack on-the-fly throug...   Oct 29 2004, 12:11 PM
- - Stumps   ouch. I think that might have been left out becau...   Oct 29 2004, 12:17 PM
- - GoldenAri   Or it would make him actually use a combat skill t...   Oct 29 2004, 12:25 PM
- - Stumps   under that logic, we'd have to make deckers ta...   Oct 29 2004, 12:28 PM
- - Stumps   I do think that if an alternative is posed, it wou...   Oct 29 2004, 12:31 PM
- - GoldenAri   We do. He takes combat program, which he must the...   Oct 29 2004, 12:33 PM
- - Stumps   QUOTE But like any other use of sorcery it should ...   Oct 29 2004, 12:35 PM
- - Stumps   QUOTE (GoldenAri @ Oct 29 2004, 12:33 PM) We ...   Oct 29 2004, 12:36 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   Howabout as a drain code for it. The amount of So...   Oct 29 2004, 12:37 PM
- - Stumps   Drain is a bad idea. Why? because it's not uni...   Oct 29 2004, 12:39 PM
- - Stumps   ok...firstly. I should correct the impression I...   Oct 29 2004, 12:45 PM
- - GoldenAri   And who else other than mages uses sorcery for fig...   Oct 29 2004, 12:55 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Astral Combat (Willpower) The Astral Combat skill...   Oct 29 2004, 02:20 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Stumps) you can't cast spells in the As...   Oct 29 2004, 03:01 PM
- - Brazila   I don't think drain is a good idea for astral ...   Oct 29 2004, 03:13 PM
- - Erebus   QUOTE (Stumps) There are two questions, at least,...   Oct 29 2004, 03:52 PM
- - Kagetenshi   It's not just spells, summoning causes drain t...   Oct 29 2004, 03:55 PM
- - GoldenAri   Actually I do like that fighting with your magic r...   Oct 29 2004, 04:14 PM
- - LinaInverse   As some have pointed out, it's just flat out i...   Oct 29 2004, 04:17 PM
- - Jason Farlander   Eh, I guess the drain thing just doesnt bother me ...   Oct 29 2004, 04:18 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (LinaInverse) As some have pointed out, it...   Oct 29 2004, 04:22 PM
- - Erebus   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (LinaInverse @ Oct 2...   Oct 29 2004, 04:27 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Oct 29 2004, 11:22 AM) Wh...   Oct 29 2004, 04:32 PM
- - GoldenAri   QUOTE Pretend explanation I just made up: You aren...   Oct 29 2004, 04:39 PM
- - Erebus   QUOTE (GoldenAri) QUOTE Dual-Natured creatures a...   Oct 29 2004, 04:41 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Jason Farlander) Because those things have ...   Oct 29 2004, 04:43 PM
- - GoldenAri   I'm not saying he can't cast spells at him...   Oct 29 2004, 04:43 PM
- - Erebus   QUOTE (GoldenAri @ Oct 29 2004, 11:43 AM) I...   Oct 29 2004, 04:49 PM
- - GoldenAri   That sounds more like a metamagical effect, and I...   Oct 29 2004, 04:56 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (GoldenAri) QUOTE Pretend explanation I just...   Oct 29 2004, 04:57 PM
- - Erebus   QUOTE (GoldenAri @ Oct 29 2004, 11:56 AM) Tha...   Oct 29 2004, 05:03 PM
- - GoldenAri   If he was still astrally projecting then yes, I...   Oct 29 2004, 05:13 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Erebus) mage's who have no physical com...   Oct 29 2004, 05:15 PM
- - Erebus   QUOTE (GoldenAri) Would you say then that I could ...   Oct 29 2004, 05:24 PM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE Physicallity or even physical ability have a...   Oct 29 2004, 08:48 PM
- - kevyn668   I may be coming on late here but I don't like ...   Oct 30 2004, 02:16 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Only if he wants to excel at astral combat. You...   Oct 30 2004, 02:53 AM
- - kevyn668   I see your point. Unfortunately I suffer from a ra...   Oct 30 2004, 03:04 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (kevyn668) I see your point. Unfortunately I...   Oct 30 2004, 03:08 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Again, you realize that you don't need Astral ...   Oct 30 2004, 03:10 AM
- - kevyn668   QUOTE You are suffering from the Maximus Pointus E...   Oct 30 2004, 03:18 AM
- - Stumps   I like Doc's idea. I have since he mentioned ...   Oct 30 2004, 05:24 AM
- - Kagetenshi   SR3 Page 44. There's an explicitly defined ast...   Oct 30 2004, 05:27 AM
- - Stumps   I got that, thanks for the reference...my question...   Oct 30 2004, 05:59 AM
- - Stumps   Actually... SR3, p44, Astral Combat Pool:".....   Oct 30 2004, 06:06 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   The first refers to astral projection.   Oct 30 2004, 06:11 AM
- - Jason Farlander   No its not. Astral combat pool is used for projec...   Oct 30 2004, 06:11 AM
- - Stumps   But the wierd part isn't WHO uses WHICH pool. ...   Oct 30 2004, 08:00 AM
- - Jason Farlander   Youre really just making it more complicated than ...   Oct 30 2004, 08:11 AM
- - Stumps   Ah, further reading reveals that you are correct a...   Oct 30 2004, 09:00 AM
- - Stumps   Still on the table however is the Sorcery option f...   Oct 30 2004, 09:03 AM
- - Jason Farlander   Well, I remain unswayed in my opinion that the sys...   Oct 30 2004, 09:28 AM
- - Stumps   I think the issue that he has with it is that it m...   Oct 30 2004, 10:47 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Actually I dislike it because it doesn't make ...   Oct 30 2004, 04:44 PM
- - Stumps   That is true in it's own right, but I really d...   Oct 30 2004, 04:51 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Computers comes close, but at least it's consi...   Oct 30 2004, 04:54 PM
- - Stumps   Yep...so I think I'd agree that Astral Combat ...   Oct 30 2004, 05:16 PM


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