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 Nov 1 2004, 11:43 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499  |
Aye, 19 Dice before you factor Bio. Don't forget to stir well with M/Close Combat with a sprinkling of Dikote. One of the reasons i Capped my latest character at 13 Dice at Cgen, Just a shame a Pair of Dikoted Delta Grade Spur Weapon Foci are so rare...... |
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Nov 1 2004, 11:46 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Who needs Delta ... Beta will do, and you could Geas the Magic Loss to the Spurs. :D
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Nov 1 2004, 11:47 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
What makes you think i haven't already.....:D
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Nov 1 2004, 11:48 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Well, I was overcome with munchkinitis last weekend and made a PC with Animal Attunement and Empowerment. PC was a Rat shamanic adept who bonded a Demon rat. Oops. Bad idea. First of all, I do not have Critters so I do not know what Animal Control does exactly, so I pulled the rules out of my ass. I decided to have Animal Control control up to Essence number of animals. The Demon rat summoned up Devil rats which in turn summoned up normal rats. And can you say swamp? |
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Nov 2 2004, 08:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
damn, I never thought of that... can you flesh this out a bit more? what do the rolls look like? can you break it down for me? |
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Nov 2 2004, 03:54 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
I'll be honest, I've never used geasa with my phsyads, so (a) Would geasing your Improved Melee to a particular weapon be the kind of thing intended? and (b) What do you mean by geasing magic loss to the spurs? |
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Nov 2 2004, 07:02 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I actually rarely, if ever use Geas for my characters either. I believe that you can Geas the Power itself (IA - Cyber-implant combat) to the Spurs via the Talisman Geas. The Power would the cost 25% less, but could only be used with the spurs (well duh ... it is cyber-implant weaponry anyway :D).
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Nov 3 2004, 02:52 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Probably a good use for the talisman geas, but it could still be problematic for upgrades. A talisman used for a geas has to have at least three conditions. Assuming you've got a relatively standard style it's pretty easy to come up with some of them: 1)single long spurs or triple short spurs 2)mounted in the forearm, and 3)something else, maybe something etched along the blades or something like that.
Here's an interesting point: A spur does (str)M damage, whether it's a single long spur or a set of three smaller blades on the hand, right? (see SR3 pg 301) One of my players, a long time ago, with a serious wolverine hard-on, wanted to get three long spurs mounted. I toyed with the idea of letting him have it, for triple the essence cost, and then figuring damage like a "three round burst" He was pretty deadly, but he paid 1.8 essence for the pair, so it seemed fair. Thoughts? |
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Nov 3 2004, 03:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Fomorian Wastes Member No.: 6,538 |
IMHO, bad call. 3 short blades because they're in the hand or 1 long blade because its in the forearm. Its a question of size limitation and style. Personally I would have only said yer if they were telescoping and suffer increased stress from combat useage and a L wound every time they were deployed if the PC wanted any additional reach or damage modifiers for 3 long spurs.
I've never worked how Wolverine's claws actually manage to contract back into his hand. |
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Nov 3 2004, 04:10 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Yeah, it was pretty uber, but that's a lot of essence, as well. It really didn't seem too unbalancing.
Oh, and I always assumed that Wolverine's wrists had to be straight for his claws to come out, but other than that I can suspend my disbelief. |
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Nov 3 2004, 05:45 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Aptitude recommends it not be taken for combat or magical skills. You all seem to be assuming you can take it. Is it usually allowed by GMs.
Also you may as well ignore it for the purpose of this discussion as it is equally available to sams and phisads. To me it is not that big a deal. Reach already did this and a metamagic, some karma and a requirement of another skill seems a reasonable price to pay. As to the cyber melee character, dual dicoat cyber blades specialised cyber implant combat, enhanced articulation muscle augmentation and your choice of reflex and body augmentations. 2 weapon fighting is available as it would be for a phizad. Edward |
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Nov 3 2004, 06:04 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
uh edward if they use the twinned blade rules from SR3 BBB, that can be upward of 24M for a dwarf
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Nov 3 2004, 08:00 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Just how are you going to get a strength of 16 on a dwarf as a stating character. I am seeing strength 14 if I use every twink I know (max dwarf str 8 +2 edges give you 10 + muscle augmentation 4 = 14) that gives you 21M and dicoat for 22S when using 2 cpurs and BBB rulings.
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Nov 11 2004, 05:17 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Just as a note to self: Dragons using attunement on metahumans and drakes. Empower animal and infusion, too.
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Nov 11 2004, 08:33 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Normally it wouldn't work on sentients, but who knows with Dragons...
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Nov 11 2004, 09:20 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 7-May 04 Member No.: 6,308 |
Heh, a dragon attuned human would be hilarious. The PCs have just secretly entered the corporate compound, when all of a sudden the NPC decker gets a glazed over look in his eyes, says "I must go." then gets the hell out of there.
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Nov 11 2004, 11:55 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Wait a tick.. doesn't Attunement work an awful lot like the Horror Mark power...
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Nov 12 2004, 08:40 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
It took 2 pages... sheesh. ;)
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