 http://www.shadowrunrpg.com, What do you think of the redesign? |
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 Sep 4 2003, 07:46 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116  |
The Official Shadowrun Website has had a redesign, and has gone live. What do you think of the new layout, the new navigational structure and the new content?
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Sep 4 2003, 08:06 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 19-July 03 Member No.: 4,984 |
I think it's looking good, better than the older set up. Although, I did jump when I read the fiction having ran a character named Torque (the Orc Rigger) for awhile. :)
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Sep 4 2003, 08:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
I was just reading the links section, and I was surprised at some of the seriously outdated links that are in there. I mean, I don't think UOL has seen an update since late 2001. The last update for Herkimer's Lair was on October 28th, 2001. Seriously, Plastic Warriors? I don't think even Gurth looks at that site anymore.
I'd like to see, for instance, some of the links in this thread added. |
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Sep 4 2003, 08:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
"I know everybody who’s anybody from suite-and-tie boardroom predators..." from the Johnson's Little Black Book description. It should be "suit-and-tie". Suit is clothing, suite is a hotel room. :P
The Abstruse One |
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Sep 4 2003, 08:44 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Nice to see the Intros for new books return and kudos to Rat for the fiction. Nice work, Brian & Adam.
Me, I'm just miffed MrJLBB and the Character Dossier already have their respective covers up and the SoE is still using the place holder. ;) |
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Sep 4 2003, 11:15 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
And Mr Johnson Little Black Book also have its official acronym in the FAQ (MrLBB) while Shadows of Europe doesn't. I'm starting to think the release schedule could go back to its original order :P The Character Dossier placeholder or cover image is just a combo of Lone Star, Queen Euphoria and Cybertechnology, so I guess it was a quick one to do. BTW the Games Resources page says the FAQ last update was in May while the FAQ page itself says August. Black & White is maybe a bit to dystopic. One or the other a little bit more grey would please my personnal sense of architectural design. Also now I think we're gonna see a lot more people willing to work for Cross :D |
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Sep 4 2003, 11:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 439 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .se Member No.: 625 |
Looks to me most of the content is the same as before. I go to the site for two things, the fiction (which i gather is a new thing) and the release schedual. About the design, looks ok. Like the menu and such. There is one huge exception when it comes to the design thou. Even thou the topic circuit board looks ok I think it doesn't really bring much to the scene. OK a slight sci fi high tech feelin'. What makes it look worse is the hideous "neon streaked" logo at the top (and the once at the bottom, but at least they are towards plain black). But as noted beyond that it is all fine by me. |
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Sep 4 2003, 12:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 26-February 02 From: UK Member No.: 340 |
Just a small point - when I click on Fiction I lose the side nav bar
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Sep 4 2003, 02:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
Looks okay. It's not an extreme overhaul, but it now looks much better. I don't think an extreme overhaul was necessary, anyway. So, Adam, do we now bitch in Brian Cross's direction when it comes to webpage content? :) |
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Sep 4 2003, 05:43 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I think the FAQ page is right, considering the info about Topps and Jeux Descartes, etc. I like the new design. :) |
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Sep 4 2003, 09:26 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,356 |
DV8:
The list of links is pretty much "Rob's list of SR Bookmarks." I'll direct him to that thread. Nath:
Unless things change, that's the final Dossier cover image. Nath:
Whoops. The FAQ itself is correct, of course. DigitalMage:
That wasn't intentional. I'll fix that shortly. Also, I'm working towards designing a stylesheet so each of the context pages will have a "Click for printable version" link. KosherPickle:
Leave Brian alone so he can work! ;-) He has plenty on his plate. Most web page queries should still go to me, as I'm still the person doing the actual updates. |
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Sep 4 2003, 09:59 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Irvine, CA Member No.: 5,357 |
Adam and I are currently working on adding more content to the site so stay tuned for that in the next few weeks. |
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Sep 4 2003, 10:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Vigo (Spanish Kingdom) Member No.: 1,446 |
I saw it pretty nice. A bit more shadowrunnish, as it has to be (it'd still need a bit more black and techies around, heh). ;)
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Sep 4 2003, 10:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
Good! I have many things for you! Well, some things. The page might have switched around a little, so I'm going to have to re-check my list. Thanks for getting the Cannon Companion stock number up, btw. <thumbs up> |
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Sep 4 2003, 11:34 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
Looks good! :elims:
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Sep 5 2003, 05:05 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
-The 2 art pieces from SotF are one over the other.
-Product List: Loooooooooooooooooooooooong. You'll understand it when you see it. |
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Sep 5 2003, 05:11 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
SR Character Dossier:
-Neat idea. I'll have one. Price question: how much does the thing weight? (I need to calculate shipping costs). Same question for DotSW, SSG, MrJLBB and SoE. -Cover image as a vid-screen = good idea. Keep it. -Cover image using older pics = not so good. Although I always liked the Bottled Demon cover... |
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Sep 5 2003, 07:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
The Product List has always been long. It just needs some tweaking for correctness and asthetics. :) |
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Sep 5 2003, 07:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 123 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,205 |
I do like the redesign very much. The fiction page is great, although it seems to be missing the submission guidelines that were originally posted on the old forums (that I can't find). I like the look of it just fine.
I can't say that I'm pleased at all that that's the final cover for the Character Dossier. Cutting and pasting old art is a real cop-out. I guess I can deal with it as a money-saver inside the books, but really, the cover is what you're selling the book with... it's not indicative of good quality to reuse cover art, especially for a book that some would see as unnecessary and need a good reason to get (fortunately, I buy every damned thing you put out, so you'll have no problem with me). |
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Sep 5 2003, 07:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 714 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .nl Member No.: 116 |
But it's cheap. This is so they can maintain and garuantee an affordable price, so they have to cut corners somewhere. They're working on a tight budget as it is, so don't bitch about covers. They get bitching people if the price goes up, and they get bitching people if they try to meet that price by sacrificing covers; fucked if they do, fucked if they don't. |
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Sep 5 2003, 07:28 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
The Dossier is an exception to the rules of normal book design. All it is, really, is a campaign log/character sheet. The price can't go above 4.99 or it won't sell (I bought three or four of the ones they put out for L5R, and I didn't care about the cover). Most people aren't going to buy it for the cover... they're going to buy it to have a nice, bound character sheet with lots of room that they won't loose parts of.
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Sep 5 2003, 07:41 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
As the lead designer of the Dossier, it was a simple decision to re-use art:
* Budget concerns - this product needed to stay under the $5 mark. It also needed to turn a profit after X units. Thus, contracting new cover art was not feasible. Neither was paying me more than a pittance. :-) * Time constraints - Originally, the Dossier was supposed to be finished much sooner, and there was no time to contract original art, especially as our primary cover guys were busy with MJLBB, SOE, and SSG. Once it was obvious that it would be delayed, there was once again no time to get new art contracted and finished, and no budget. * Product Type - I don't think the cover particularly matters to this product. People can easily recognize it's a Shadowrun product [even without the logo, it has very distinct Shadowrun features, plus old-school recognizability] But what really matters with the Dossier is the simple fact that it's the best damned portable Shadowrun character recording/gameplay device ever. :-) |
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Sep 5 2003, 08:19 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Pueblo Corporate Council Member No.: 2,020 |
Feh... I don't need to buy character sheets...
But that's not what this is all about, now is it? The one thing I miss (or am missing) is the release dates on the 'upcoming' books. JLBB looks cool (as does SoE)... but when are they coming out? Inquiring minds want to know, and you used to be able to find out. That's my only thing... looks cool like usual, Adam! |
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Sep 5 2003, 08:24 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Wait until you see them. They aren't just cut and pastes of the sheets in SR3, by any means. :-) |
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Sep 5 2003, 08:28 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,356 |
I've elected to leave exact dates off for awhile. Regular announcements will be posted to the front page when books are going to press and when they hit distributors. |
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