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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill.  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006  |
I don't have any of the dragon books and I have a Dragon antagonist coing up. I need stats for a average run of the mill western Dragon. Can anyone help me out?
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Nov 12 2004, 12:57 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
You don't have access to SR3? They list basic, run-of-the-mill dragons and great dragons in the Dragons & Spirits chapter.
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Nov 12 2004, 12:58 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Stats for a western dragon can be found in the main book.
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Nov 12 2004, 12:59 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
There are stats for an average, run of the mill Western Dragon in the SR3 BBB RAW etc. Its in the chapter called, IIRC, "Sprits and Dragons". I can't look it up right now because my book is out of arms reach and also I'm lazy. And its a lot of trouble. And I don't care. But if not for those few reasons, I could help more.
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Nov 12 2004, 12:59 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Everyones a critic. :)
I was looking for what people on the board considered run-of-the-mill. |
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Nov 12 2004, 01:02 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
The one in the book.
Not to be curt, but the listing in the book is for the "average" dragon. What constitutes "average" in draconic terms (aside from the stats in the book), is a matter of some conjecture. 50% of all doctors finish in the bottom half of their class. |
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Nov 12 2004, 01:05 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
You know, if you dont want to post stats for what you consider a run of the mill dragon, you don't have to post. There's no one holding a gun to your head saying you need to post and be an ass.
If your not interested, don't post. Sheesh. Kids these days. |
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Nov 12 2004, 01:12 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Hmm, it has been pointed out (Dr. Funk) that my question was to generic.
Allow me to reword it. What kind of stats would you (you being the reader) give a minor Great Dragon? Better Doc? |
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Nov 12 2004, 01:13 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Acquitted.
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Nov 12 2004, 01:18 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Like Hualpa's for instance.
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Nov 12 2004, 01:23 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Did you just call the leader of the GREEN WORLD a minor Great Dragon. You are so fragging dead. I might post something when I get home and pick up Dragons, but pretty much keep the stats listed and tweak as desired. Feathered Serpents are known for blood magic, but other than that, give him every metamagic in the books, every spell, and a few sustaining foci (gold teeth), and an Anchor from Hell (horn ring) that pretty much has Detect Danger linked to a Prevent Danger spell. |
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Nov 12 2004, 01:26 AM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Concensus is that a "run of the mill" adult dragon, killeable by players if they plan it our really, really well and bring very, very big guns, are the ones posted in SR3. A Great is a plot device, and not to be given stats. If you feel like having your players kill Hualpa, then no stats needed. You're either gonna decide they succeed or they don't. Rolling for it would be ridiculous.
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Nov 12 2004, 01:36 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Well, according to DotSW... A Great gets the following bonuses.
Body: +10/12 Quickness: +3 (+1) Strength: +10 Charisma: +5 Intelligence: +5 Willpower: +5 Essence: 12Z Reaction: +3 Initiative: +1D6 Astral Initiative: +1D6 Attacks: 16D, +4 Reach Consider that an "average" Western is 15/8, 7 (x3), 40, 8, 8, 8... Num-num, eat-em-up! |
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Nov 12 2004, 01:52 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Take a good note at the fact that most dragons are not as smart as "smart" Otaku.
Just food for thought.... |
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Nov 12 2004, 01:55 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Which was a bit of an ability mistake, I feel.
Maybe younger ones are "dim witted," but Greats are known for lots of things, including vastly superior intelligence. |
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Nov 12 2004, 02:02 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Perhaps but i like the fact the one of my characters (Mo) can almost as intelligent as Hestaby
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Nov 12 2004, 02:07 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
And 8-9 is vastly superior intelligence. 8-9 would represent people like Netwon, Da Vinci, and Aristotle...
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Nov 12 2004, 02:09 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
But as they Shockwave was saying, that's not that great compared to what an Otaku can hit Intelligence-wise. Especially with the Bonus and Exceptional Attribute Point edges.
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Nov 12 2004, 02:10 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Otaku hit, what, 11 or 12 with all that? (Including the only throwing 1 to all your Physicals or whatever the rule is.)
Yeah, I doubt a Great would be outwitted by them. At least, not too often. |
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Nov 12 2004, 02:16 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Sigh, 'otaku' it almost makes my eyes bleed.
For how stupid a name this is, replace it with 'wanker, 'fanboy', 'trekkie' or something that fits into your cultural context better. Calling them 'trekkies' is about at stupid, but at least I find that funny, rather than painful. |
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Nov 12 2004, 02:17 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Well, that's the name FASA picked. Can't help that now, can we?
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Nov 12 2004, 02:24 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Without checking i think she has hit 12 without exceptional attribute though if you factor that in it becomes 14 with a +2 for learning int based skills due to an Encephalon 2 |
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Nov 12 2004, 02:26 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I think it's hilarious. They even tend to fit the Otaku image: young teens obsessed with uberl33t technogeekery which fades away as they get older. Denver as a whole is one of the funnier supplements of 2nd Ed. |
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Nov 12 2004, 03:48 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
whoah, whoah. where's it say GDs have an Int of 8-9? my book says that you add the GD mods to the base dragon stats, which gives GDs an Int of 13. an otaku's max, with bonus/exceptional attribute and a full cerebral boost, is 15.
er, oh. y'all were talking about regular dragons, with the 8-9. *shrug* i have no problem with regular dragons being "only" as intelligent as the best mankind has to offer. |
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Nov 12 2004, 04:09 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
[Ignore me. I gotta lay off the crack pipe.]
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