 Eyeball grenades, a silly, but practical idea |
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 Nov 22 2004, 06:13 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 348 Joined: 20-June 03 Member No.: 4,782  |
If you were a GM, and I asked if I could install the cranial bomb into one of my cybereyes, would you allow it?
The theory is I could detatch my cybereyeball, press on the retina to activate the detination sequence and throw it, roll it, or whatever to use as a very weak grenade. Actually it would be useless in combat, but it could be used to blast a doorlock, break a restraint, or for whatever else that would require a close range low power blast. |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 639 Joined: 22-April 02 Member No.: 2,638 |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
:rollin: OMG that's funny. Why not just a body compartment with some C12 in it? |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
so if i poke you in the eye, you head will explode? cool! *poke poke*
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Nov 22 2004, 06:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 348 Joined: 20-June 03 Member No.: 4,782 |
How many security forces confiscate your cybereyes after you are scanned for weapons, explosives, and cyberware? |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:30 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
If they detect explosives on you and find out it's in your cybereye, pretty much all of them. (That or turn you away on the spot.) |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 348 Joined: 20-June 03 Member No.: 4,782 |
But are cranial bombs large enough to be detectable? |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:34 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Yeah I doubt they'd let you through if they detected something but couldn't either get it out of you or physically find it.
I had a runner that wanted to creat a whole line of "combat darts" that would function similar to regular grenades but on a more limited scale. My argument was based on their limited size and in order to maintain their aerodynamic properties, he be making annoyances more than something combat worthy. I'd argue the same here considering how small your eyeball is unless it was solid C12 or something of the sort. |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:38 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Chemsniffer, Buzzed. Just beause you can't see it doesn't mean you can't tell it's there. |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:42 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The average human eye has a volume of about 5.5 cm^3. C-4 has a density of 1.63kg/m^3, and most plastic explosives are at about the same. Assuming that C-12 has the same density as C-4, you could fit 8.965 grams of C-12 inside the eyeball. This would have the Damage Code of 1D, -12/meter. Not a whole lot of boom.
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Nov 22 2004, 06:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 348 Joined: 20-June 03 Member No.: 4,782 |
That is exactly what I was referring to. Big enough to be sniffed out. The book describes it as a very tiny amount of explosives attatched to the spinal cord at teh base of the brain. So I interprit it as perhaps the size of the black tip of a pencil or a baby asprin. Is that big enough for a chem sniffer to detect? |
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Nov 22 2004, 06:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 485 Joined: 25-October 04 Member No.: 6,789 |
Actually yes. It gets even worse if they have dogs.
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Nov 22 2004, 07:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Still might be good to ruin a physical lock or something. |
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Nov 22 2004, 07:21 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
That's why you ignore the rules for Plastic Explosives and instead use the ones for Cranial Bombs, just like he mentioned in the first post.
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Nov 22 2004, 07:34 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Oh it's the "push a button and it acts like a grenade" part that I didn't think was useful. |
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Nov 22 2004, 07:41 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
My post was supposed to be in direct reply to GrinderTheTroll's about size limitations and how it just might be a worthwhile weapon if it were packed full of C-12. If wouldn't be. It might work as a Cranial Bomb, because Cranial Bombs (the Area kind) obviously use Unobtanium-235 explosives.
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Nov 22 2004, 08:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 430 Joined: 28-May 02 Member No.: 2,784 |
True about the Unobtanium-235... however, it's worth noting the C-4 is so popular not because it's the biggest badest explosion ever (per gram), but because it's a pretty good explosion that is also safe to handle -- non-toxic to skin contact, won't go off due to impact (important for troops carrying it), and won't go off due to normal heat (even campfires).
But if you're just a crazy mofo such that you would stick a bomb in your eye.... well, there are even more unstable chemicals out there. I note "Pentolite" listed on one web page with a detonation velocity of 25,000 feet per second, compared to C-4's lazy 9,000 fps. :) --K |
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Nov 22 2004, 08:35 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
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Nov 22 2004, 09:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Detonation velocity is not a very good indicator for TNT mass equivalents in pressure and impulse, which are closer to telling you how much "oompf" per unit of mass an explosive has. 1kg of C-4 creates 1.37 times as much pressure and 1.19 times as great impulse as 1kg of TNT. Pentolite, depending on particular mixture, can create somewhere between 1.38x pressure/1.14x impulse (pretty much equal to C-4) and 1.5x pressure/1.0x impulse (more total pressure released over a longer period of time). Of commonly used high explosives, Composition B offers the greatest relative impulse levels, at 1.2x the pressure and 1.3x the impulse of a similar mass of TNT. But overall, it just doesn't get much better than C-4 IRL. I'm taking these figures from a PDF I once took off the net, Blast Effects And Related Threats by T. Krauthammer (great name, BTW), but it seems it's not up anywhere anymore. At least Google couldn't find it. In SR, of course, these figures mean nothing, because C-4 is 4x as effective per unit of mass as TNT -- only it isn't, because SR explosives cause some kinds of quantum blast waves that behave completely unlike anything IRL. But that's a rant for another thread, which was already closed 2 years ago. This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Nov 22 2004, 09:07 PM |
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Nov 22 2004, 09:34 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Does that PDF list Astrolite anywhere?
~J |
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Nov 22 2004, 10:00 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Nope. The people who designed and manufactured it don't seem to, either. They just say "it compares favorably to" standard explosives (Comp-B, C-4, TNT, RDX), and there was a few mentions of it being "twice as powerful as TNT" -- although the latter could well have been BS.
[Edit] http://www.totse.com/en/bad_ideas/ka_fucki...oom/165180.html Not everybody seems to think Astrolite is all that hot...[/Edit] |
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Nov 22 2004, 10:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 226 Joined: 4-June 03 Member No.: 4,685 |
"I worked in my Day Job at office with computer for so many hours. I feel so tired that my eyes will burst out any second."
"Yes, honey, I understand, rest for a while and lower your blood pressure... did your eyes just clicked????" But probably not the best idea of mill, better use hand with uzi in it or C-4 in finger compartment if really paranoidal. |
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Nov 22 2004, 11:44 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
Be sure to get this for the character that has the Gremlins (lvl 4) flaw.
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Nov 23 2004, 04:26 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
Man, I just can't get over how dumb eye weapons would look in action. :dead:
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Nov 23 2004, 04:34 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
It would be the last thing you see... :grinbig:
-Siege |
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