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 Nov 24 2004, 10:22 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543  |
It doesn't work that way. If the UCAS says "you must provide sales records for barrels" then the companies will, or else the barrels are not legal and it's illegal to carry them around on UCAS soil. Also, if you have an unregistered barrel you go to jail anyway. Nothing gets accomplished. As if it worked as noted by bitbasher above.
So, really what is the point of pointing out that the Mega corps are not part of the national jurisdiction? Megas are their own countries. Pure and simple. Would the Sioux have to tell the UCAS all the details about their barrels? If not then, why would say ZIC? It is an AA. |
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Nov 24 2004, 10:23 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Eh?
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Nov 24 2004, 10:35 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Why would the AA or AAA have less rights than a forgien power? UCAS should have no more right or legal power over the selling habits of Ares, than it does over the CAS. If I went to an Ares store and bought a gun. Said gun would be legal in Ares controlled land. Even if it is illegal in the UCAS. So if something is legal under the laws set up by Ares I could legally buy it,right?
Take gun ownership in the US and Europe. I can own an AK 47 in the US, but I sure as hell couldn't own one in England. Does that mean that I can't buy one in the US, or that I would be breaking a law if I took it to England? In other word I can legally buy whatever is legal in Nova-tech,and no one is breaking the law, but when I go to the UCAS with items not legal in the UCAS,I am breaking the law in the UCAS. Nova-tech is no breaking the law if it sells me a tank, I am braking the law if I bring it to UCAS... Novatech would only be breaking the law if it helped me to smuggle said item out of their jurisdiction.Am I right or wrong? |
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Nov 24 2004, 10:43 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I believe that’s correct, yes. Why?
Also, keep in mind that X Corp has to get the item into its territory, unless it is fabricated on-site. ~J |
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Nov 24 2004, 10:54 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Well, I always want to learn more about the finer points of this game. The rules and laws controling Megas are large parts of this game.
By the way, as I recall only parties have used Nuke, and one was Ares. |
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Nov 24 2004, 10:59 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I believe that the only three entities to have confirmedly used nuclear weapons are the former US, Israel, and Ares. North Korea tries and fails, as does SAIM.
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Nov 24 2004, 11:34 PM
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India and Pakistan did, too, according to SOTA64 (I already bitched about this in another thread).
Extraterritoriality also applies to corporate transports, so you can drive an Ares Arms truck from Spartanburg, South Carolina to a Weapons World retailer in Pittsburgh without breaking any laws because it never leaves Ares jurisdiction. And the UCAS, for example, can then regulate commercial activity between megacorp property and UCAS jurisdiction because it's analogous to international trade and commerce. |
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Nov 24 2004, 11:44 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
What thread was this supposed to link with?
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Nov 24 2004, 11:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
This one: Tips For All Shadowrunners
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Nov 25 2004, 12:03 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
:proof: ~J |
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Nov 25 2004, 12:05 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Double Exposure, Corporate Download, and others. Do you want a page number? That will take me some time.
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Nov 25 2004, 12:42 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
If you get a chance, a quote would be nice, thanks. I really need to find where my books vanished to :dead:
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| Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Nov 25 2004, 12:52 AM
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Corp Download, first chapter. I'll let K10 give you a page number, since good faith apparently no longer exists around here.
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Nov 25 2004, 12:59 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Nope, I trust him. Again, lost books, and I'm interested in the wording. If I didn't trust him, I'd probably have been less polite. As it stands, I'm asking a favour, not making a challenge.
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Nov 25 2004, 01:44 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
That truck needs be clearly marked as Ares or any of its subsidiaries. It is kinda like a Diplomatic Immunity.
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Nov 25 2004, 12:25 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Just a minor point - corps are extraterritorial; much as they would like to believe otherwise, they are not (with the exception of Aztlan) sovereign nations, and have none of the international status of governments. Although they have the right to behave pretty much as they like within their own compounds, they have much less legal clout when the mess spreads over the line.
Also note that to purchase an unregistered barrel in the manner described, you would have to go to a major Ares compound to get it, since extraterritoriality is limited in its application. Or to put it another way, if you bought it at the Weapons World in your local mall, you and Ares both are breaking UCAS law. If you bought your AK-47 in London from an American government agent (passed over the cash, wrapped it and walked away) you and he would both be in deep doo-doo. You'd go to prison, he'd presumably claim diplomatic immunity (something corps cannot do) and be deported. |
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Nov 25 2004, 12:36 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Any compound clearly marked as Ares or as a subsidiary of Ares is extraterritorial. Therefore if the Weapons World was marked "Weapons World, a subsidiary of Ares Macrotechnology", it would be extraterritorial. p10-11 Corp Download.
In other words, Ares can't break UCAS (or any other countries') law on Ares soil. And any place where Ares does official business is Ares soil. |
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Nov 25 2004, 12:41 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
I was under the (potentially mistaken) impression that there were limits to that, based on the size of the area and its demarcation from the rest of the world?
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Nov 25 2004, 12:56 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Nope ... just the 'clearly marked' stipulation. Bear in mind that it has to list the parent Corp entitled to extra-territoriality. Stuffer Shacks are not entitled to claim extra-territoriality because they are not, as far as I know, clearly labelled as an Aztechnology company.
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Nov 25 2004, 12:57 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Unless marked as "Stuffer Shacks, a proud member of the Aztechnology family".
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Nov 25 2004, 01:08 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Right, but I believe it is stated (or implied) somewhere that isn't the case with Stuffer Shacks.
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Nov 25 2004, 01:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Wow, and all this time I thought I was avoiding Stuffer Shack for aesthetic reasons, when it really turned out to be my innate Detect Evil ability... ;) |
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Nov 25 2004, 01:15 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Dude, Aztchnology is pretty much the main supplier of all kinds of foodstuffs for the middle class and under, at least in North America. They have a pretty good public image to the non-shadow-associated.
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Nov 25 2004, 01:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
You know, I played a Werewolf game where a Pentex subsidiary was inserting dormant Bane spirits into their latest chocolate bar; majorly addictive and spiritually poisoning in one fell swoop.
Suddenly I feel the urge to rewrite it for the SR universe... Pentex -> Aztech, Bane Spirits -> Blood Spirits... now I just need to decide why (apart from sheer generalise evilness, which even I admit Aztech are too canny to indulge in) :cyber: |
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Nov 25 2004, 02:59 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Does it not state somewhere that like 90% or something of all (household) consumer goods are in some way related to Aztechnology? I found that somewhat scary when i first read it. |
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