 Control manipulations, net successes or just plain successes |
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 Dec 1 2004, 05:23 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 17-December 03 Member No.: 5,909  |
Do you use net successes or regular successes when determining how many successes are needed for a control manipulation spell to succeed?
Example: Give a target has a willpower of 6 and makes no successes on the resistance test would I need... A: 3 net successes (2 successes = 1 net success) or 6 successes or B: 3 successes |
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Dec 1 2004, 05:29 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
All spells of that nature are resisted. Actually you can shorten that to all non voluntary spells are resisted.
In this case it is net sucesses. |
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Dec 1 2004, 05:32 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
B) 3 normal successes, since the target made no successes on his spell resistance.
By the way, your defination of net successes is a little off here. Net successes = Caster successes - target successes. |
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Dec 1 2004, 05:45 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Yeah, toturi made a point that I overlooked, where are you getting your wonky definition of net sucesses?
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Dec 1 2004, 06:04 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Yeah, I think you have "net successes" mixed up with the semi-common rule where you need two successes to equal one success (such as with Centering or Complimentary Skills). As mentioned, that's not what a net success is. :)
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Dec 1 2004, 06:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 17-December 03 Member No.: 5,909 |
My group has always used that definition to the extent that I never thought to question it. Hmm..................this changes things.
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Dec 1 2004, 06:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
Yea it would. Greatly. Man, for deckers alone that change would be killer.
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Dec 1 2004, 06:21 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
If you've been using that definition throughout the entire game, yes, you'll probably discover the game is completely different if you use the correct defintion. It applies in almost every field, combat especially.
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Dec 1 2004, 06:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 17-December 03 Member No.: 5,909 |
weve used the correct rules for combat but we just never used the term net successes for it.
EDIT: Weve just basically been calling every 2 sucesses a net success. |
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Dec 1 2004, 06:26 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Don't you need Net successes equal to atleast the Threshold value (1/2 Willpower in this case) to make it stick? So, target gets zero all the caster would need is 3+ right?
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Dec 1 2004, 06:28 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Yep.
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