 Shadowrun to D&D, I need a little help.. |
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  Dec 4 2004, 10:00 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 4-December 04 Member No.: 6,867  |
Alright, So I'm stuck with a pair of newb players, and don't want to change over EVERYTHING... I just need a Quick reference chart for Damage->Dice. I can figure out the Initiative, but I Do NOT like the Hitbox System. Just looking to see if anyone can help me out. I Need some help with the weapons. I'm probably going to base the HP modifier on the race, so that I can do. All I request is a Quick Chart. Please HELP!!!
Thanks, R.Ronin9999. :cyber: |
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Dec 4 2004, 10:01 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
What are your problems with the wound box system?
~J |
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Dec 4 2004, 10:06 PM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
There's always D20 Modern...
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Dec 4 2004, 10:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
What? Why don't you like the wound box system? You realize the whole combat system is kind of based on that, right? |
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Dec 4 2004, 11:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
THere is no way your going to mix and match the SR system with some D20 things that you want to keep. They are not compatible in the fashion your wanting. I would just sit down with the newbs and do a few senarios to demonstrate the rules. They aren't that hard it just takes a little bit before they are intuitive.
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Dec 4 2004, 11:25 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Oh boy. Here we go again...
Everybody out of the pool! :P |
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Dec 4 2004, 11:34 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
*Waves at Kevyn from the bottom of the deep end*
~J |
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Dec 4 2004, 11:38 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
<points to "NO LIFEGUARD ON DUTY" sign>
:) |
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Dec 4 2004, 11:38 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
*Keeps waving happily*
~J |
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Dec 4 2004, 11:51 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
*dives in*
Yeah... umm, no. You probably aren't going to make a hit point system work well in a game without classes or levels, especially since, as you mentioned, you would also have to rework all of the weapons. Note that reworking the weapons would also require reworking the armor system. If you want hitpoints badly enough to introduce classes and/or levels, and if you want to change all of the weapon damage codes and armor ratings to work with hitpoints, you might as well just play d20 modern in the SR setting. I could make up something that would look kinda reasonable at least superficially, but before I expend the effort to do so I would like to second Kagetenshi's query: what, exactly, do you not like about the current SR damage system? |
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 Dec 4 2004, 11:53 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Sorry, I think you want Earthdawn. :talker:
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Dec 5 2004, 12:08 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Just call the damage boxes hit points.
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Dec 5 2004, 12:15 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Yep, you got 10 hitpoints. Don't try to merge the two systems. They were never meant to do it, and you would have to rework so many things that you'd be better off creating your own system from scratch.
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Dec 5 2004, 12:24 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Don't bother merging systems. The easier routes are: 1) Get d20 Modern and d20 Future. Play with those rules exclusively. Borrow the SR setting. 2) Practice with SR more, get used to the combat system, use SR rules exclusively. Don't need to borrow the setting, it's already there. |
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Dec 5 2004, 12:28 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
A quick chart to, uh, change wound levels to hit points... and, uh, every weapon in the game... and uh (brain hurting) the variable amounts (pain getting... worse) of damage for full-auto (vision... failing) and two weapon fighting (POP!).
A quick chart. Actually, I have explained the wound box thing to D&D players as, "You get ten hit points, and every attack does either 0, 1, 3, 6, 10 or 10+ points of damage." I'm not proud of myself, I'm just saying I've done it. While I consider d20 Modern to be the younger, stupider, less attractive sister to SR, if there are concepts about the d20 system that you like, then its probably the best way to go. |
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Dec 5 2004, 01:28 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 4-December 04 Member No.: 6,867 |
My Problem with the SR damage system: The Newbs aren't the smartest people in the world, and bicker more than a pair of greedy children.
Mercer:: Thats a good way of putting it. Thanks. R.Ronin9999 :cyber: |
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Dec 5 2004, 01:31 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
So you mean they die in the first 20 minutes and then complain? |
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Dec 5 2004, 01:39 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 4-December 04 Member No.: 6,867 |
No. They dont die, they just complain and lack intellect to notice that the beeping cylinder 3 feet from them is NOT an explosive device, until they STOP bickering over who keeps the guard's gun. Then they run. Run like they stole the devil's dougnut, and he knows they have it.
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Dec 5 2004, 01:42 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
You're right. You need help. Professional help. Seriously.
Well okay, maybe not seriously... :rotfl: Don't do it. This I really do mean. SR and D20 really don't mix, on so many levels. But then I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said here 10000000000 times before. Listen, if my wife - who is a complete RP newb, and only started RP'ing because of me in the first place - can not only understand SR well enough to play it but to ref it (with some help), then your lot can do it. Or are you saying my wife's smarter than they are..? 8) |
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Dec 5 2004, 01:52 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 4-December 04 Member No.: 6,867 |
I'm also a PC in a D&D campaign with them. They Bicker over who gets all the "Worthless Item A"s, and there are FOUR. I'm the 3rd PC, out of 3, and I know what's work fighting for. It's a small group, and I'm a king. YES. A Literall King. And these two dont stop fighting for nothing. I'd kill them both, but only me and the GM know how to generate a D&D Character, and I'm the only one who knows how to PLAY SR. Your right, I DO NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP. I need someone with a damn brain to kick the sh!t out of these newbs. The GM is going to Work during/after school (It's an After-school activity), and I'm going to start SR with the two to teach them some humility and have a little fun. So I was thinking to Make it easier for them to notice that everyone needs to have fun, but in my sick and evil way of showing them.
Now that you understand, I wanted to see if I could make it easier for their no observant minds to pay-attention. Also, Ifyou have ANY help on making these two realize that CO-OPERATION is key, please feel free to post it. I dont care If it's dangerous to their characters... :evil: |
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Dec 5 2004, 02:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Honestly, if that's the dynamic of your group, I don't think you should play Shadowrun. These don't sound like people who can be professional, and the way you're talking about them, it doesn't sound like you respect them enough for a decent game to work.
JaronK |
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Dec 5 2004, 02:09 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
How old are these guys?
Continue playing D&D with them but do this... Have a mysterious stranger (Mr. Johnson) send a messenger to contact them and ask them to meet at the Firedrink Tavern in (insert D&D city here). Try to convince them to go along. Tell them that this stranger will offer a (insert great item or loads of gold here) to them if they accomplish a specific task for him. (Insert Shadowrun here) These seem like "Monty Haulers" if that's the word. Everything they do, think : How are they screwing themselves over. If they steal something valuable, make sure whoever it belonged to sends people looking. And for god's sake make sure the people they send can kill the crap outta them. Be sure they know that these guys are after whatever they took to get it back. When they die, as I'm sure they will. Make sure they know that they could've survived had they attempted to flee. Basically run the D&D game as you would a Shadowrun. Tell them that their D&D characters would prolly be better at it if they had some cyberware instaled, or if they had assault rifles. Say hey why don't we try a game of Shadowrun. Maybe it could work? |
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Dec 5 2004, 03:45 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Oh, so you dont have a conceptual problem with the damage system at all, its just that you're playing with fools. Ok. Yeah, thats not worth redoing the whole system. But really, its not that hard. Tell them that they have 10 hit points and theyll never get more, but then tell them the trade off is that, if they roll well, they could take no damage at all even if they get hit, no matter what the attacker rolls. That should make them feel better. Honestly, though, I fail to see how making it harder to die (as hit point systems almost invariably do) could be construed as a reasonable means to convince them that they need to pay attention. |
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Dec 5 2004, 06:25 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
Don't play anything.
just find a game online. Or try Paranoia XP. They can bicker all they want. And you can kill them. |
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Dec 5 2004, 11:28 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Paranoia, my God, that takes me back, the most fun you can have whilst stabbing your friends in the back... :)
Although I have to say that one of the very BEST roleplaying experiences I have ever had was when a GM took the humour out of Paranioa and made a very bleak "Logan's Run" kind of game (we won in the end, destroyed the Computer and freed the citizens of Alpha Complex). |
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