Alright, So I'm stuck with a pair of newb players, and don't want to change over EVERYTHING... I just need a Quick reference chart for Damage->Dice. I can figure out the Initiative, but I Do NOT like the Hitbox System. Just looking to see if anyone can help me out. I Need some help with the weapons. I'm probably going to base the HP modifier on the race, so that I can do. All I request is a Quick Chart. Please HELP!!!

Thanks,

R.Ronin9999.

What are your problems with the wound box system?

~J

There's always D20 Modern...

THere is no way your going to mix and match the SR system with some D20 things that you want to keep. They are not compatible in the fashion your wanting. I would just sit down with the newbs and do a few senarios to demonstrate the rules. They aren't that hard it just takes a little bit before they are intuitive.

Oh boy. Here we go again...

Everybody out of the pool!

*Waves at Kevyn from the bottom of the deep end*

~J

<points to "NO LIFEGUARD ON DUTY" sign>

*Keeps waving happily*

~J

*dives in*

Yeah... umm, no. You probably aren't going to make a hit point system work well in a game without classes or levels, especially since, as you mentioned, you would also have to rework all of the weapons. Note that reworking the weapons would also require reworking the armor system. If you want hitpoints badly enough to introduce classes and/or levels, and if you want to change all of the weapon damage codes and armor ratings to work with hitpoints, you might as well just play d20 modern in the SR setting.

I could make up something that would look kinda reasonable at least superficially, but before I expend the effort to do so I would like to second Kagetenshi's query: what, exactly, do you not like about the current SR damage system?

Sorry, I think you want Earthdawn.

Just call the damage boxes hit points.

Yep, you got 10 hitpoints. Don't try to merge the two systems. They were never meant to do it, and you would have to rework so many things that you'd be better off creating your own system from scratch.

A quick chart to, uh, change wound levels to hit points... and, uh, every weapon in the game... and uh (brain hurting) the variable amounts (pain getting... worse) of damage for full-auto (vision... failing) and two weapon fighting (POP!).

A quick chart.

Actually, I have explained the wound box thing to D&D players as, "You get ten hit points, and every attack does either 0, 1, 3, 6, 10 or 10+ points of damage." I'm not proud of myself, I'm just saying I've done it.

While I consider d20 Modern to be the younger, stupider, less attractive sister to SR, if there are concepts about the d20 system that you like, then its probably the best way to go.

My Problem with the SR damage system: The Newbs aren't the smartest people in the world, and bicker more than a pair of greedy children.

Mercer:: Thats a good way of putting it. Thanks.

R.Ronin9999

No. They dont die, they just complain and lack intellect to notice that the beeping cylinder 3 feet from them is NOT an explosive device, until they STOP bickering over who keeps the guard's gun. Then they run. Run like they stole the devil's dougnut, and he knows they have it.

You're right. You need help. Professional help. Seriously.

Well okay, maybe not seriously...

Don't do it. This I really do mean. SR and D20 really don't mix, on so many levels. But then I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said here 10000000000 times before.

Listen, if my wife - who is a complete RP newb, and only started RP'ing because of me in the first place - can not only understand SR well enough to play it but to ref it (with some help), then your lot can do it. Or are you saying my wife's smarter than they are..?

I'm also a PC in a D&D campaign with them. They Bicker over who gets all the "Worthless Item A"s, and there are FOUR. I'm the 3rd PC, out of 3, and I know what's work fighting for. It's a small group, and I'm a king. YES. A Literall King. And these two dont stop fighting for nothing. I'd kill them both, but only me and the GM know how to generate a D&D Character, and I'm the only one who knows how to PLAY SR. Your right, I DO NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP. I need someone with a damn brain to kick the sh!t out of these newbs. The GM is going to Work during/after school (It's an After-school activity), and I'm going to start SR with the two to teach them some humility and have a little fun. So I was thinking to Make it easier for them to notice that everyone needs to have fun, but in my sick and evil way of showing them.

Now that you understand, I wanted to see if I could make it easier for their no observant minds to pay-attention.

Also, Ifyou have ANY help on making these two realize that CO-OPERATION is key, please feel free to post it. I dont care If it's dangerous to their characters...

Honestly, if that's the dynamic of your group, I don't think you should play Shadowrun. These don't sound like people who can be professional, and the way you're talking about them, it doesn't sound like you respect them enough for a decent game to work.

JaronK

How old are these guys?

Continue playing D&D with them but do this...

Have a mysterious stranger (Mr. Johnson) send a messenger to contact them and ask them to meet at the Firedrink Tavern in (insert D&D city here). Try to convince them to go along. Tell them that this stranger will offer a (insert great item or loads of gold here) to them if they accomplish a specific task for him.

(Insert Shadowrun here)

These seem like "Monty Haulers" if that's the word. Everything they do, think : How are they screwing themselves over. If they steal something valuable, make sure whoever it belonged to sends people looking. And for god's sake make sure the people they send can kill the crap outta them. Be sure they know that these guys are after whatever they took to get it back. When they die, as I'm sure they will. Make sure they know that they could've survived had they attempted to flee.

Basically run the D&D game as you would a Shadowrun. Tell them that their D&D characters would prolly be better at it if they had some cyberware instaled, or if they had assault rifles. Say hey why don't we try a game of Shadowrun.

Maybe it could work?

Don't play anything.

just find a game online.

Or try Paranoia XP. They can bicker all they want. And you can kill them.

Paranoia, my God, that takes me back, the most fun you can have whilst stabbing your friends in the back...

Although I have to say that one of the very BEST roleplaying experiences I have ever had was when a GM took the humour out of Paranioa and made a very bleak "Logan's Run" kind of game (we won in the end, destroyed the Computer and freed the citizens of Alpha Complex).

Take them both outside.
Place a can somewhere hard to reach and requires hunting for it.
Then tell them that who ever finds it first gets $20.

Then let them kill eachother getting it.

After that's over, bring them back during their little sqwable on the ground over who gets the money.

Put the can back out into hiding.
Then tell them that if they can work together to get it, then you'll double the money and they will both get $20.
If they can't work together, they will get nothing, even if they find it.

Some team building things like this is what these idiots need.

Having played half a dozen different rpgs now I have to say the rules and the game are always so strongly linked its pointless trying to use one set of rules as a catch all set with out a hell of alot of work. If Im going to play DnD Ill use the DnD rules etc. etc. I hated seeing that 'Official D20 SR' web site, it was pants what they were trying to do (mainly making SR class based).

Hell if anything the openess of the SR rules system makes it a better system for other game settings to move to rather than the zombie army of D20 games. SR is only prehaps beaten by Feng Shui rule system in this respect.

You could use a modified Vitality/Wound system from Unearthed Arcana, but it's still going to be a pain.

Or just wait til april 1st...isn't that when that d20 shadowrun book comes out

Ok maybe I'm just a slight bit evil...

You coudl get the book that has all the simple rules of SR in it,and is made for teaching the SR rules.

Quick Start Rules. I hear they're pretty good.

~J

I know, use BESM. No rules, you just pretend there are. Tri stat system, ha. Heh heh. Snicker, whatever. The PCs can kill each other to their heart's content. And there's no reason to care.