So, what'd happen if I bumped off Lofwyr?, And similar questions. Options

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

I think it's pretty much assumed.

That and the other tat he'd have to get that said, "Bad Motherfucker."

[noneuklid]

C'mon, that could be any of us before the age of 25! Just bank on those Columbian drug lords.

[Adarael]

What would it be?
"Poor Appetite Control", because of Glasgian Oakforest?

[Cochise]

[Johnny Reb]

Yeah, the opening idea wasn't "Vampiric Dragon Lofwyr" but what happens if a big player is killed off. One of those possible kills being Lofwyr, I was just tossing random stuff out for how he'd die (Tho, I must say, slipping in the tub is probably my fave).

Teh Vampire stuff was thinking that maybe teh Vampire Conspiracy thing would show up and have, like, thirty vampires jump ol' Golden Nose. It was a way to keeeeel him, not make him more over the top. :)

[Jrayjoker]

I advocate for Lofwyr's death through an infected talon clipping yielding sepsis. Much more stupid and less tragic than falling in the tub.

[toturi]

I'd like to see Lowfyr die from drowning myself. Maybe Lowfyr went to his dragon sized potty and drowned.

[Kagetenshi]

Horror-corruption and subsequent takeover of the world.

~J

[noneuklid]

Well, I mean, seriously, if there's a dragon corpse lying around, how is a master sheddim NOT going to want it?

[Sandoval Smith]

I want to slay something clever, but I'm just sitting here in awe of the idea of Master Shedim Lofwyr.

[Johnny Reb]

Ooo. There's a plot hook with some fun potential ... the assassination attempt on Lofwyr a while back *was* successful, but, when he woke up, he was actually a Master Shedim in teh sam ebod. That's why he's had a downfall of sorts over the past couple of years ... Master Shedim or no, he just can't keep up with the REAL Lofwyr's plans. Hmm...

[toturi]

A Master Shedim wouldn't be dumb enough to possess Lowfyr's body.

All it will get is a boost to Lowfyr's physical stats and none of his mental stats and more importantly none of his Magic. He'll just be another big target. None of the uber GD super mojo. And all of the enemies a GD has.

[noneuklid]

But it *will* get his memories.

[toturi]

But can it understand them? If a mentally handicapped person were to get your memories, can he understand them? It would be the same as someone with normal intelligence getting Lowfyr's memories.

[noneuklid]

I'm not sure. I was under the impression master shedim are much higher Force than regular Shedim, and thus, possess attributes likewise far higher than normal. Since it absorbs the old being's personality, it seems likely it is capable of putting these memories into a coherent framework.

[toturi]

Master shedim follow the same rules as normal Shedim apart from the differences stated in Threats 2. You tell me there isn't any 1 Force normal Shedim?

[noneuklid]

No, but I would say that in canon, you will never find any force 1 Master Shedim. At the moment, this is an empty threat (there aren't any stats for any Master Shedim in canon), but "Master Shedim seem to treat standard shedim as simple servants and tools," seems telling to me of a rather vast gulf between the two.

And furthermore, of the Shedim fighting over the body of a dead Great, do you think a Force 1 is likely to win or a Force 10?

[Jrayjoker]

I don't see why it couldn't happen. All the Big L Shedim would need to do is isolate himself and corrupt those around him. Also, the Shedim would have access to all the tech, cash, influence, and magical backup of the real L. The biggest problem would be not being able to shape change I think. That ans having to deal with other GDs as Loremaster.

[Foreigner]

JohnnyReb:

First of all, let me say that I'm a relative newcomer to SHADOWRUN.
I've been involved in an online campaign on-and-off for just over a year, but I haven't completed but one 'run with the group due to time constraints.

If you check out the following adventures on Winterhawk's Virtual Magespace, you'll find something that MIGHT work.

(At the very least, you might find some useful ideas.)


Here they are:

Crossfire;

Inner Demons; and

Dark Reflection.

While they all have essentially the same cast of characters, and Dark Reflection is the one you want, I would recommend that you read all three, just to get a feel for the characters.

IIRC, that story had something to do with using Blood Magic to open a portal between the Horrors' dimension and ours. The ritual involved was the murder of a Great Western Dragon (don't worry, he wasn't one of the canonical ones ;) ). He was killed using a mixture of very heavy conventional firepower (at least one Great Dragon ATGM, I believe, among other things) and magic. His life force was then stolen to power the ritual which I mentioned above.

Depending upon your GM (I'm presuming that you're a player and not a GM; please forgive me if I'm mistaken), you might be able to try something similar in-game but, personally, I would advise against it. If your character were to even attempt such a thing, whether or not he succeeded would be a moot point. He would immediately incur the wrath of almost every other Great Dragon (possibly including Alamaise, Lofwyr's estranged brother (I think :))), as well as possibly all of the surviving Immortal Elves--or at least the ones who are on good terms with the Dragons.

IMHO, such a thing, while it has the potential to make a PC fabulously wealthy if they are successful, does not sound conducive to a long lifespan.

However, the final decision is, of course, up to you and/or your GM.

Whatever you decide, Good Luck. If he goes after Lofwyr, I think your character is going to need it. ;)

--Foreigner

[Kagetenshi]

Again, there's no evidence that Great Dragons intrinsically have anything against the killing of other Great Dragons.

~J

[Johnny Reb]

Psst. Foreigner. Note that in now way, shape, or form will any PC I have ever do something so silly as to go dragon hunting. They're mainly worried about where the next Soyburger comes from and dodging the landlady. :)

The "Big player dies" thing is more for a story arc.

Odd that no one's run with any of the others, tho. No comments on what'd happen if, say, the UTE, starving and desperate, rolled against the Tir and got counter-attacked into goo or if Aztechnology went under.

Weird.

[Foreigner]

Sorry, Johnny Reb.

My bad. :(

From the way you were soliciting opinions (or at least, appeared to be doing so), I thought that you were serious. :)

--Foreigner

[CircuitBoyBlue]

The first campaign I was in had Aztechnology go under. Main effect of that was all the other megacorps leapt all over each other trying to gobble up the pieces. Ares wound up with a good chunk of Aztlan, but most of it went independent because one of the NPCs in the campaign had a diabolical plan that involved making it not worth Ares' time to go too far south. The big A's blood magicians were suddenly free to travel the world and work for whoever they wanted, which barely came up because we preferred to have magic be a pretty rare thing in our campaign, to the extent that there were no magically active player characters. We pretty much ignored the bit about Aztechnology's president being some supernatural being or contstruct, because it's stupid.

[Johnny Reb]

Nobody considered what happens when teh current pope dies, or even Harley?

C'mon, one of you *had* to want to off Harlequin, right? Or Ehran the Scribe?

No?

[mfb]

ugh. let's not talk about killing harley and ehran again.