 [OOC] Earth's Dawn, [Closed Game] Oh... the HORROR! |
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 Mar 30 2005, 11:13 PM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
Sphynx: With no Sorcery library on hand, how would Gypsy go about learning new spells, if he was so inclined.
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Mar 31 2005, 06:32 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
I've been thinking on that since Hunter said he wanted to learn a spell (with no spell formula to work from). At first I was going to make people go through spell design to create the spells, but nobody has the correct skills. And in all honesty, I'm not sure how I will add new spells yet. It seems wrong to just allow people to pickup new spells without some sort of help, but that seems the only answer right now if I'm going to allow new spells in-game (which I do want to allow). Suggestions?
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Mar 31 2005, 06:43 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Actually, according to MitS:
"Psionics cannot learn spells from traditional magic teachers or spell formulas but must 'discover their power' (design spells) themselves or be trained by (learn the spell from) another psionic." I guess I could spend some Good Karma on the Spell Design skill and then learn this if that's necessary, but the way I see it, Rebo just does trial-and-error stuff until he gets the results he's looking for in order to learn the spell. |
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Mar 31 2005, 07:04 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,077 Joined: 14-September 04 Member No.: 6,658 |
Jack. Definitely Jack. |
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Mar 31 2005, 07:05 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Um...is this the same dragon we encountered on Ireland? Just curious.
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Mar 31 2005, 08:26 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I didn't check on anyone else's character, but Gypsy has Spell Design/Hermetic 5/7. I would have thought that was exactly the right skill needed. The only problem is the lack of a library. I just couldn't afford it at chargen, or I would definitely have bought one (on chip) and brought it with him. |
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Mar 31 2005, 08:28 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Without a doubt! ;) |
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Mar 31 2005, 08:35 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
Missed that you had the skill Fortune. I think it's best that we stick to the rules if we can. So, unless there are objections, let's do that. That would mean Rebo learning Spell Design, and Fortune finding out he does indeed have a Magic Library on disk. So we fudge the disk, (maybe charge a karma-to-cash to 'find' you'd left the disk in your pocket luckily). However, we run into the ever present problem of time. I'd need to give the crew like a month off to do some of the things. Not saying that's a bad thing (The men could return now, wall secure, giving you time to settle in for a few months and spend your karma before the next adventure). Etc etc. Delays won't effect the story I've laid out ahead of us any, but I'd like to hear opinions before I set anything into stone. Sphynx |
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Mar 31 2005, 08:53 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I'm not really in any rush just yet. Of course there are a few spells I wouldn't mind having Gypsy learn (like a physical Combat spell for instance), I am still short of Karma to do much in that direction anyway.
Speaking solely for myself, I think it'd probably be better to wait until the next natural 'pause point' to follow up on the actual learning involved. That would also give Rebo the chance to learn Spell Design as well. As for the acquisition of a library, what were you thinking of in terms of (Karma) cost? That is probably something that should be paid as soon as possible (if indeed you follow up on that idea), just for the sake of fairness. |
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Mar 31 2005, 09:33 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
I'll let you have a rating 6 library for 4 karma (10k per karma, 36k) in this one-shot offer. Rating 6 would still be the max though. Rating 5 would cost 3 (25k), Rating 4 would cost 2 (16k), rating 3 would cost 1(9k).
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Mar 31 2005, 11:15 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Cool, I'll take it! And I just happen to have exactly 4 Karma available at the moment. :D
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Mar 31 2005, 11:52 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
Well, like I said, before anything is done in Stone, I want at LEAST Hunter's viewpoint. He may not like the idea at all. Though, you can still buy the library if you want. :P
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Mar 31 2005, 04:15 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
A month off, game time? Sure.
Not a month real-time though; that'd just be too long. |
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Mar 31 2005, 04:25 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Does Rebo have enough accumulated Karma to learn Spell Design as well as the spells? If not, then a month off right now isn't going to help acquire it. |
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Mar 31 2005, 04:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Let's see:
The spell itself: 5 Karma Spell Design (a Knowledge Skill): The most I could get would be Rating 4, which would cost 10 Good Karma (1 for first level; 2 for second; 3 for third; 4 for fourth) I have 16 Good Karma right now, so I'd burn through all but 1 of my GK for this. |
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Mar 31 2005, 04:45 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
Things to remember.
Can not design a spell of a force greater than your skill. Can use Sorcery at +2 TN instead. TN = 2x Force + Drain Target. So, force 5 ManaBall will cost 1+2+3+4+5+5 = 20 karma to learn (first 5 numbers are the Karma Cost to learn Spell Design to 5). Could be reduced with a specialization in SpellDesign/CombatMagic to: 1+2+3+2+2+5 = 15 karma. Or, by defaulting to Psi, skip the Skill and have a TN of 12 instead of 10 (1 in 6 chance vs a 25% with 6 dice.) Of course, with 3 Karma Pool for re-rolls (not sure if you have that yet), the TN 10 is almost automatic, and the TN 12 is about a 40% chance.... Just some thoughts. Sphynx |
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Mar 31 2005, 04:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
I actually have 2 Karma Pool for re-rolls.
What's this "Drain Target" thing in the TN calculation? |
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Mar 31 2005, 04:50 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
For ManaBall it's 0. You add the +X to the TN for resisting drain. So a Force/2+1(M) would get a +1 on the Spell Design TN.
Sphynx |
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Mar 31 2005, 04:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Ok.
So I guess I'll just end up learning it at Force 4 (since I'll be at Spell Design 4), which would reduce the TN to 8 and cost me a total of 14 GK. |
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Mar 31 2005, 05:35 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still not terribly thrilled with taking a month off right now though. Especially since we'd just have to do it again when Gypsy earns enough Karma to learn a spell or two. If we wait a little longer Rebo would have enough Karma to learn it at the higher Force.
I know that the Sorcery skill is what you use to actually learn spells, but I wasn't aware (or just didn't recall) that you could default to Sorcery for designing them. |
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Mar 31 2005, 05:52 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Only less startled because of the Astral link. Also, Gypsy figures he didn't eat us last time, so why panic? :D
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Mar 31 2005, 05:57 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,077 Joined: 14-September 04 Member No.: 6,658 |
Only because Gdub got shot in the mouth and it surprised him as Sleel got caught by a split second away from being eaten.
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Mar 31 2005, 06:54 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Hey, big and scaly owes us now.
While 'I' wouldent wanna kill a month of IG time, I dont think a few weeks of 'R&R' would bother Tevos at all. |
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Apr 1 2005, 01:34 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Sphynx, did I manage to get any Horses/mules, and like Jack asks any swords/gautlets/whatever?
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Apr 1 2005, 01:51 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
Yes. Horses are doable, and swords and gauntlets are as well (same stats as swords and hardliner gloves).
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