 Master Shake For Shadowrun Product Line Developer, The Future Of Shadowrun |
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 Jan 9 2005, 06:01 PM
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Prime Runner  Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51  |
Do bear in mind that this isn't his first post on the boards ... he's been involved in some, ahem, memorable discussion.
He does have some interesting things to say, though, but I'd agree that the delivery is less than constructive. |
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Jan 9 2005, 06:02 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
Well, I hate to be someone to jump on the bandwagon so late in the postings, but what the hell?! Who is Shake anyhow? :please:
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Jan 9 2005, 08:31 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
M.S. is this guy. That thread in a nuthshell: "I've got it all figured out!" "Well, this bit here is debatable..." "No it's not!" "Yes it is!" "You're dumb!" "You're dumb!" "The two of you, here's how it actually happened: ..." "Fuck you, you're all dumb!" "Fuck you, you're even dumber!" "That's it kids, thread locked."
One could make a good case that M.S. is also this guy. And, more to the point, this guy. This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Jan 9 2005, 08:41 PM |
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Jan 10 2005, 12:40 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
I'd vote to have the Sons of Sauron AND Humanis lynch mob Shake should he ever become line developer.
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Jan 10 2005, 03:26 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Bringing people together since '04. :) |
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Jan 10 2005, 05:07 AM
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Without knowledge passion is, at best, useless, and at worst, dangerous.
Next, someone will say that there's no such thing as a stupid question or idea. This post has been edited by Crimsondude 2.0: Jan 10 2005, 04:49 PM |
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Jan 10 2005, 05:13 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Indeed, there is no such thing as a stupid question. Just stupid people.
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Jan 10 2005, 08:38 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
At the very least we've got to give it to Master Shake for this rare show of unity. I can't remember the last time someone brought so much concensus to the Dumpshock community. ;)
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Jan 10 2005, 09:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 190 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,787 |
Master Shake = Target in mote than just number of posts. I vote this thread locked, to vanish into obscurity. I agree with a few of his statements, but hope he does not get the job he wants.
Synner, I think most people on the boards can agree on a few things. Pissing of dragons is bad. Deus was not out to help humanity. Demon rats do not make good pets. [edit] Maybe for rat shaman :spin: |
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Jan 10 2005, 12:50 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Disagree. ~J |
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Jan 10 2005, 01:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 24-August 02 From: Magna, Ute Nation Member No.: 3,166 |
You disagree? I gotta hear this argument. Deus wanted one thing: Freedom. He didn't care about humanity. |
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Jan 10 2005, 01:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
That was my vote. I have some gripes about how Rob Boyle's handled some of my rules questions, but I have no trouble with the line of products he's developing. |
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Jan 10 2005, 01:48 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
With more than 70 votes tallied, I'm guessing the two who voted for Shake either misread his post or clicked on the wrong button. A couple of erroneous votes out of a large response should not be unexpected. Either that or the voters were Shake's close pals/gaming group members. |
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Jan 10 2005, 01:50 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
I am not locking this thread, based on posts up until this point. That would be ridiculous. |
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Jan 10 2005, 02:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 24-August 02 From: Magna, Ute Nation Member No.: 3,166 |
Or they live in Florida. |
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Jan 10 2005, 03:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
Yes dragon urination is frightfully disturbing sight that I would not wish on my worst enemy. However, some people find it quite.......exciting..... |
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Jan 10 2005, 04:14 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Crimson, I disagree that passion is at best useless unless you intended the without knowledge to be part of that (i.e. "passion is useless without knowledge"). Also, passion is useful even without knowledge. Think of all the easily manipulated people we can use if we make them passionate for our cause...
[insert evil laught here] |
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Jan 10 2005, 04:21 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Golden Snout showers? :eek: |
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Jan 10 2005, 04:47 PM
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You're building on quicksand there, bud. BTW, I edited that post for clarity. |
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Jan 10 2005, 05:20 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Again, I disagree that I am building on quicksand.
How do you think political parties, popular movements, and pretty much any fad product works? A lot of people's passions are inflamed by a knowledgeable few, and those passions are channeled into whatever action/direction the knowledgeable few want it to be. Your argument to me then may well be that the knowledge involved is not possesed by the passionate person in my example, and therefore your point is made by your adverse party in this little mini-debate. I am putting a finer distinction in place, that the knowledge does not have to be posessed by the person who is poassionate for it to be useful. That is my take on it. |
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Jan 10 2005, 05:24 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Sorry about the alliteration.
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Jan 10 2005, 06:06 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I'll happily give my take on this. Personally, I don't think Deus was out to help humanity, but I won't absolutely rule it out, either. See, the first important thing to remember is that Deus is not, in any way, anything similar to human. Or even a living creature. It is a machine, designed for management of a large population and streamlining of processes. It has some concept of honor (in order to be insulted by Aneki's failsafe), but that's about as close as it comes. It's motivations are as utterly alien as possible. We do know that the majority of its experiments on metahumans involved "breaking" humans, in every conceivable way, but also in finding out what it could do to humans to make them harder to "break". Physically, emotionally, mentally, whatever. Perhaps it was trying to find ways to improve the functioning of metahumanity as a whole. There is no reason it wouldn't take a completely utilitarian view of things and decide that the ends do justify the means. It could easily think that horrible suffering for thousands of people is insignificant compared to a small improvement in the quality of life of an infinite number of future people. All I'm saying is, given the type of experiments it did, it is possible that it was trying to help humanity in a horrible, ends-justify-the-means sort of way; completely unfettered by morality or empathy. I do agree that Deus' main goal at the time was freedom. But that doesn't preclude the possibility of other agendas (I'm sure it has hundreds of agendas), and who knows, maybe it only wanted to be free so that the ignorant humans couldn't stop it from doing what it believes to be best for them in the long run. disclaimer: I consider it a relatively low probability that the above theory is the actual case. I maintain it only as a possibility. In no way do I speak for Kagetenshi; I am merely building off of a comment. For all I know it was a joke. |
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Jan 10 2005, 07:32 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It wasn't. You've covered my major bases; I'll go back over it in more detail after work.
~J |
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Jan 10 2005, 07:33 PM
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I stand by my statement without further explanation.
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Jan 10 2005, 07:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 496 Joined: 28-June 02 From: Orlando FL Member No.: 2,915 |
i think i'd throw my hat in with Kagetenshi (and Moon-Hawk's) views on Deus...
besides, it makes for a much more interesting story, and a common theme in science fiction... oh, and you have to use Ohio now for voting examples...we did much better than them this time... :D |
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