 The Practical S.E.P. Field, Can it be done? |
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  Jan 12 2005, 08:51 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734  |
Just for amusement sake, the idea of an S.E.P. field is a field which conceals a vehicle/person because anybody who enters the field is convinced that it's not there because it is somebody else's problem. Thus people will automatically avoid it even tho they don't see it, etc.
My theoretical problem to you is: how can we build it in SR3? Probably should be magic (like alter memory or control actions/emotions/thoughts) based on a foci or some sort. Obviously if you're in the astral it will be seen...I don't think there is a scientific way of doing it. Can anyone suggest a way to do this? It would be fun... |
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Jan 12 2005, 08:55 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
First you'd have to start with a troll, not just any troll, but a troll that has contracted elephantities in a most unseemly location, then put him/her in a very bright hot pink unitard and a neon blue tu-tu. then play "dance of the sugar plum fairies" on a small porable music device.
Nobody will "see" it because nobody will believe it's waltzing past them. |
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Jan 12 2005, 08:56 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I agree that it would be a control manipulation like control thoughts.
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Jan 12 2005, 08:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
Control thoughts does seem to be the right way - but how do you get the logistics of having a foci doing control thoughts to anyone within range? It's like the Extended range Shok System :)
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Jan 12 2005, 09:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 292 Joined: 24-September 04 Member No.: 6,701 |
Custom Manip spell (call it SEP): Minor mental change, Area, Restricted Target. Then take that spell and lock it on either a Sustaining Foci or an Anchoring Foci.
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Jan 12 2005, 09:35 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 18-April 02 Member No.: 2,614 |
I've always thought that the Concealment spirit power works a bit like this.
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Jan 12 2005, 09:44 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
I sorta looked at the invis spell like this as well actually.
Not the improved invis mind you, just the basic one. |
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Jan 12 2005, 09:47 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Gotta go with invisibility here.
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Jan 12 2005, 09:53 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
no, invisibility is different, because they can't see it.
this spell, they would see it, they just wouldn't CARE. |
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Jan 12 2005, 09:56 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Again, sounds a lot like invisibility as described in SR3
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Jan 13 2005, 04:43 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 11-January 05 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 6,962 |
I think this would be similar to the 'Foreboding' spell. (MiTS p143). Instead of creating an area of imminent fear, danger, and unease. It would create and area effect of apathy and "SEP". No invisibility, just no one cares.
Opposed willpower against the spells net successes. Greater F increases the area. NPCs viewing you from a distance would not be effected. |
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Jan 13 2005, 05:08 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
If you have access to 2nd edition stuff the spell was called disregard. It did just what you described and was dropped for game balance reasons I believe.
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Jan 13 2005, 06:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
No, I started SR in 3rd ed...can you quote the stats for disregard for me? That sounds perfect. Was there a group version, or it just is an area effect that was centered on the object to be disregarded? I think it would be fun to spring that on my group. :vegm: Of course Lina probably read this, but heh. No, Lina, you can't learn this spell. :grin: |
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Jan 13 2005, 08:46 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,691 |
You just gave me a flashback to "See Me Not" from SilverAngel, which is actually a lot more like a "somebody else's problem field" in that it's an indirect illusion, which SEP fields are... the "field" encompasses the cloaked items, not the witnesses. IIRC, that is. -Albert |
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Jan 13 2005, 02:11 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
The big problem would be if you have the bad luck to run into the Somebody else that everyone's been dumping their problems on.
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Jan 13 2005, 02:35 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
You mean Agrajag? |
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Jan 13 2005, 11:47 PM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
Nah. Marvin. :)
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Jan 14 2005, 12:35 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
LOL!!! Of course, it would have to be poor Marvin, wouldn't it... Anyways, back to the subject - So if "Disregard" is the SR2 solution, how would you convert it to SR3? (I still don't have the stats for Disregard, so somebody who has it will have to help) |
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Jan 14 2005, 01:07 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
I'll post it when I get home. Like I said, it was dropped from 3rd edition for damn good reason. When you see the spell, you'll know why.
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Jan 14 2005, 01:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 560 Joined: 21-December 04 Member No.: 6,893 |
And I have a terrible pain in the diodes all down my left side..... :) I think an invisibility spell with greatly reduced drain for use on large objects is in order. The disadvantage is that the spell could be completely negated if the characters knew that something is there; this spell only makes sense for large vehicles which are not actively shooting at anyone. Moreover, it would have no effect on electronic devices and would still be captured by cybereyes or a simrig; however, if the spell is still activated, they will not notice it on the recording. Of course, this spell also makes sense for Panther Assault Cannons. LoneStar will not notice the weapon, even if you wave it in front of them. Using this on a turret would have similarly humorus results; if the coppers are looking at the car and not the turret itself, they will suddenly forget that it's there. |
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Jan 14 2005, 02:40 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
The following is from Awakenings.
This is waaaaay nasty with any competent spell caster and back in the day was overused by just about everyone I knew who played. It would need to be modified to bring it inline with invis ans other illusion spells. |
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Jan 14 2005, 03:56 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
Yeah, I see your point. So how would you modify it so that it falls in line with other Illusion spells? Here's a suggestion - I took the stats for Phantasm (because that is fairly close) and the description of Disregard/Phantasm. Let's tear it apart and see if it's good.
Good/Bad? |
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Jan 14 2005, 04:44 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
That is crazy powerfull man. you could walk down the street with a PAC and no one would blink. |
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Jan 14 2005, 04:48 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
Maybe more like +2S for drain but otherwise good. |
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Jan 14 2005, 05:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
Heh - would you guys have your mages learn it? Or is it just another home brewed spell that is better off in other areas?
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